Greenie hypocrites overcharge taxpayer for minister's houses

**Pixie** · 4th October 2009, 08:38

The bastard watermelons have been caught out charging Ministerial Services double the market value for Genetic Fitsimmon's house.
Metriosis Terrorist (Greenie coleader) says it was a "simple mistake" after an attempt to hide it,before the Stupid Hippies open their books,fails.

**paturoa** · 4th October 2009, 08:45

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**scracha** · 4th October 2009, 08:51

Originally Posted by Pixie

Metriosis Terrorist (Greenie coleader) says it was a "simple mistake" after an attempt to hide it,before the Stupid Hippies open their books,fails.

She got a proper roasting on the gogglebox this morning. Imagine how well a "simple mistake" argument would go if we (got caught) fiddled our tax returns?

**MisterD** · 4th October 2009, 08:59

Well we already knew that their MP's were living in houses owned by their super fund so they could charge us taxpayers the maximum to live in them (if they owned the properties themselves, they could only charge for mortgage interest under the rules).

Anyone see the difference between that and what Bill E is accused of? Anyone?

**oldrider** · 4th October 2009, 09:10

"Greens" should only be considered for the things they do best! "COMPOST" and "LOOSE BOWELS".

**McJim** · 4th October 2009, 09:47

Vote to get rid of MMP and the damn green bludgers will be gone. Some more limpet mines and we could loose a whole useless Greenpeace and probably Sea Shepherd too if we're clever. BBQ whalemeat! Who wants some? Mmmmmm....tasty!

**davereid** · 4th October 2009, 09:53

Originally Posted by McJim

Vote to get rid of MMP and the damn green bludgers will be gone. Some more limpet mines and we could loose a whole useless Greenpeace and probably Sea Shepherd too if we're clever. BBQ whalemeat! Who wants some? Mmmmmm....tasty!

Yeah, we need a system where no unelected bastard gets to the beehive.

They all seem the same on the list. Even Mr. "Perk Buster" Hides lot run straight to the perks trough and start feeding.

Its really easy. Say there are 100 seats (for easy math.)

Win a seat - you get an MP, there is no other way to get there.

But, if you win 60 seats and only 55% of the vote, you can only cast 55 votes.

**rainman** · 5th October 2009, 10:32

Originally Posted by Pixie

The bastard watermelons have been caught out charging Ministerial Services double the market value for Genetic Fitsimmon's house.
Metriosis Terrorist (Greenie coleader) says it was a "simple mistake" after an attempt to hide it,before the Stupid Hippies open their books,fails.

I hold the Greens to the same standard that I hold everyone else to, and agree there seem to be some issues here to answer. However, they aren't the ones raised in this thread.

I think they may have taken too long to address this (not absolutely sure on timing though), and should have fronted up earlier to keep themselves super-squeaky clean. But the issue itself I have no problem with, and it's quite different to Billy's rip-off.

Originally Posted by scracha

She got a proper roasting on the gogglebox this morning.

I didn't see the interview but read the transcript. Metiria did seem to be a bit on the back foot. Perhaps a few more hours in the media training gym are required.

Originally Posted by MisterD

Well we already knew that their MP's were living in houses owned by their super fund so they could charge us taxpayers the maximum to live in them (if they owned the properties themselves, they could only charge for mortgage interest under the rules).

Anyone see the difference between that and what Bill E is accused of? Anyone?

I'll bite. Bill lives in Wellington, not Dipton, so isn't entitled to an out of town allowance at all? The Greens fixed the issue (fairly rapidly, compared to Bill) without bitching about how the system didn't deal with their special circumstances?

I'm in two minds about the super fund thing. If it was an individual super fund, with individual MPs directly getting the gains, then it would probably be a rort. But it's a more communal solution, and different to what others are doing. Need to look at it more though, when I have time.

Originally Posted by oldrider

"Greens" should only be considered for the things they do best! "COMPOST" and "LOOSE BOWELS".

Why do you hate the Greens so much, and what do you hope to achieve by doing so? Are you not in favour of preserving our environment, or just against the Greens social message?

You generally seem to be a grown-up, but ranting like the above just makes you look like a jerk and a bigot. What's the point?

Originally Posted by davereid

Yeah, we need a system where no unelected bastard gets to the beehive.

They all seem the same on the list. Even Mr. "Perk Buster" Hides lot run straight to the perks trough and start feeding.

Its really easy. Say there are 100 seats (for easy math.)

Win a seat - you get an MP, there is no other way to get there.

But, if you win 60 seats and only 55% of the vote, you can only cast 55 votes.

How do you deal with gerrymandering?
How do you keep this democratic while minimising the number of MPs? (And don't expect me to hold that FPP is optimally democratic, I don't).

**Swoop** · 5th October 2009, 10:57

Originally Posted by rainman

And don't expect me to hold that FPP is optimally democratic, I don't.

It has to be one of the worst options. We would return to the see-saw, two party load of crap.
Only polarised opinion or absolute disgust in a sitting government will get it changed. Look at how long we suffered under muldoon.

Originally Posted by rainman

Bill lives in Wellington, not Dipton,

So, the house that generations of the family has owned for many years, which is on English Rd, has nothing to do with having to move to Wellytown? Perhaps taking the taxpayer-paid-for dwelling in Welly would have been better but he is a family man and wants to be with wife and kids in a "normal" family situation. Good on him.

**Jantar** · 5th October 2009, 10:57

Originally Posted by rainman

....

I'll bite. Bill lives in Wellington, not Dipton, so isn't entitled to an out of town allowance at all? The Greens fixed the issue (fairly rapidly, compared to Bill) without bitching about how the system didn't deal with their special circumstances?

.......

Actually, Bill's home is in Dipton. He is required to live in Wellington for his ministerial duties, so he does spend most of his time in Wellington. If he didn't live in Dipton (or some other part of his electorate) he wouldn't be eligible to stand as an electrate candidate, only as a list candidate.

**MisterD** · 5th October 2009, 10:59

Originally Posted by rainman

I'll bite. Bill lives in Wellington, not Dipton, so isn't entitled to an out of town allowance at all? The Greens fixed the issue (fairly rapidly, compared to Bill) without bitching about how the system didn't deal with their special circumstances?

In the rules there are a number of tests applied to determine what is and isn't "primary residence". Bill meets those tests, but admittedly fails the "common usage" test.

Bill is still the constituency MP for a place that's what, about 5 hours travel from Wellington? He therefore has to run two properties. As far as I can see Bill remaining in his Wellington house a) probably costs the taxpayer less than if he moved to the official residence that goes with his job and b) probably means Bill is out of pocket compared with what he'd make renting out his house whilst living in said official residence.

I'm in two minds about the super fund thing. If it was an individual super fund, with individual MPs directly getting the gains, then it would probably be a rort. But it's a more communal solution, and different to what others are doing. Need to look at it more though, when I have time.

The fact remains that the Green MPs are directly or indirectly both landlord and tenant...up in smoke goes the vaunted Green principles and transparency...yes just why, if the double dipping was noticed in June, was the money not repaid until September...in secret?

**ManDownUnder** · 5th October 2009, 11:03

Originally Posted by Jantar

Bill's home is in Dipton.

Do you refer to the one he owns? The one he, his wife and kids live in would be Welliwood... along with his job, her job and their school (respectively)

It's like me owning a house in Fiji I only visit 3 weeks of the year, except I'd call it a holiday home instead of a family home, and I wouldn't have my current accommodation paid for, and I wouldn't benefit from free air travel to and from.

**Pixie** · 5th October 2009, 11:12

Originally Posted by rainman

I'll bite. Bill lives in Wellington, not Dipton, so isn't entitled to an out of town allowance at all? The Greens fixed the issue (fairly rapidly, compared to Bill) without bitching about how the system didn't deal with their special circumstances?
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The greenies tried to fix it quietly,after making a big show of getting the other parties to come to account,and then finding out they were guilty of similar rip-offs:
Espener: Why didn't you tell the public?

Turier: I'm telling them now

**Mully** · 5th October 2009, 12:10

Are there are politicians who don't have their snouts in the trough?

To my mind, they're all as bad as each other. Which explains why Labour didn't scream blue murder when Bill English got "busted" - cos they are well aware they'd been doing the same thing for the previous 9 years, and the data was there to hang them out if they tried.

What grates me is there is a reasonably proportion of the bastards who never got voted for and never seem to do any work, creaming money for sitting there. I saw a printed list of sitting MPs and there were a few that I'd never even heard of. They get, what, $100K plus a year for that?

MMP, IMO, doesn't work. You have the tail (5 MPs) wagging the dog. That's not how democracy is meant to work, but both main parties are so desperate to get into power, that they'll jump into bed and make huge concessions with whoever will agree to "work" with them.

That being said, I don't know what political system will work. Except maybe an exam for those wishing to vote.