Flags, colours, and their use

[MSTRS:Me]

The rules I've read say nothing about marshal points not being allowed black or blk/orange flags. They do say a # board is to be used with them, but I'm sure if people are told in briefing that these flags are going to be used and if you see a marshall with one pointing at you then you MUST retire immediately.

Now now...you are just being sensible. Can't have that...
Perhaps marshals could be empowered to put the pole (correct colour flag on it, of course) through the spokes of the offending bike...

[Tony.OK]

Now now...you are just being sensible. Can't have that...
Perhaps marshals could be empowered to put the pole (correct colour flag on it, of course) through the spokes of the offending bike...

You watched Mythbusters too huh?


At the end of the day there will always be a situation that arises where theres no answer............thats life innit.

Maybe the licencing does need looking at, hell even if there was an online test of some sort, then at least people would have to look up an answer they don't know....................oops I'm being sensible again

[MSTRS:Me]

If the riders don't know Rule 22-1-1 then I doubt they would know what a Black/Orange flag means anyway.

True, that...

Experienced marshals such as yourself are a godsend to the running of the meetings and we need more.

Aw shucks...

At the end of the day there will always be a situation that arises where theres no answer............thats life innit.

And I'm beginning to think that this was the situation on the 25th

[quickbuck]

And I'm beginning to think that this was the situation on the 25th

Most likely....
The good news is, many more people know what happened now, and everybody can take a look at the situation and learn from it.

The rider that sparked this whole chain of events will not be making the same mistake again... and others who have read this thread will change things.. or be more aware.

There will always be those sh1t happens occasions though....
As said, that's life.

[Racey Rider]

Black with Orange Centre: Road Race Only: Machine to be removed from the circuit immediately. The rider’s number must be shown on a board at the same point as the flag is displayed.

So did the MNZ Steward at Vic R5 Make a mistake at riders briefing, in saying when we get a black/orange spot flag with our number, we should circulate slowly around to the pit entrance and get off the track there?

If so, Ok... no worries... we all make mistakes.

But what was disturbing, was that nobody backed me up when I asked the question in front of everyone - " So when we pass a black/orange spot flag for our number at the start finish line - we then can go right round the track, dropping oil all the way, to get back to the pit entrance? "

He replied with a mumble that basicly said Yes.

Did No one else feel he was getting it wrong??

Even Mel (Club presdent) had a puzzled look on his face.

SO if the Steward makes a wrong call - do we all just accept it?

Or is that not how it went down?

Racey

[ajturbo]

good point there Racey..

I will be telling all SS racers, if shown the black and orange... GET OFF THE TRACK ASAP SAFELY...

[Skunk]

So did the MNZ Steward at Vic R5 Make a mistake at riders briefing, in saying when we get a black/orange spot flag with our number, we should circulate slowly around to the pit entrance and get off the track there?

I can't answer that as I wasn't at the riders briefing - but if that is what he said he is reading a different rule book to me.

[roadracingoldfart]

Black with Orange Centre: Road Race Only: Machine to be removed from the circuit immediately. The rider’s number must be shown on a board at the same point as the flag is displayed.

So did the MNZ Steward at Vic R5 Make a mistake at riders briefing, in saying when we get a black/orange spot flag with our number, we should circulate slowly around to the pit entrance and get off the track there?

If so, Ok... no worries... we all make mistakes.

But what was disturbing, was that nobody backed me up when I asked the question in front of everyone - " So when we pass a black/orange spot flag for our number at the start finish line - we then can go right round the track, dropping oil all the way, to get back to the pit entrance? "

He replied with a mumble that basicly said Yes.

Did No one else feel he was getting it wrong??

Even Mel (Club presdent) had a puzzled look on his face.

SO if the Steward makes a wrong call - do we all just accept it?

Or is that not how it went down?

Racey

Thats because there is no such thing as a safe place to pull of a track during a race . IMO

The "park it rule" spoken of is the second most dangerous piece of shit a rule book could quote.

[roadracingoldfart]

good point there Racey..

I will be telling all SS racers, if shown the black and orange... GET OFF THE TRACK ASAP SAFELY...

How will a new rider be able to make a call as to where a safe place is ? .

[ajturbo]

what's the first?...
when the ights go out.. you go?....l

[ajturbo]

How will a new rider be able to make a call as to where a safe place is ? .

that's a good call... that's why i talk to them at their own riders brief, just for that sort of thing.....

i also instruct them to put their hand up as soon as they notice something is wrong with their bike (or leg out)....

each race meet they/we learn more.. i love it!!!

[Skunk]

Thats because there is no such thing as a safe place to pull of a track during a race . IMO

The "park it rule" spoken of is the second most dangerous piece of shit a rule book could quote.

It's not a crock of shit. There are plenty of safe places to pull off. That's why Red flags aren't put out every time a bike crashes or stops on the circuit - because they are in a safe place.
Do you really think it's safer to leave a trail of oil (or whatever) around the track on the racing line than pulling off? Might be safe for you but what about all the other poor riders?

How will a new rider be able to make a call as to where a safe place is ? .

By using their brains. Some people can manage it still I believe. Ask yourself: Can I get hit by a crashing bike here? Yes - not safe. No - safe.

[roadracingoldfart]

that's a good call... that's why i talk to them at their own riders brief, just for that sort of thing.....

i also instruct them to put their hand up as soon as they notice something is wrong with their bike (or leg out)....

each race meet they/we learn more.. i love it!!!

I know you do assist alot and my head dips in your direction , i still have fears of bikes pulling off the track in a place they are not expected to by following riders.
I have seen a bike pull over in an incident only to fall on the grass and sending the bike back onto the track and taking a fellow rider out in a very big way.
there is no real answer i appreciate, but limitation of possibles is the key .

Paul.

[roadracingoldfart]

what's the first?...
when the ights go out.. you go?....l

No ,
#1 = the giddy dipshits that make the rules and take your money.

[roadracingoldfart]

There are plenty of safe
By using their brains. Some people can manage it still I believe. Ask yourself: Can I get hit by a crashing bike here? Yes - not safe. No - safe.

Your assuming a multi tasking ability exists in an unexpected panic situation.
Some people cant pick their nose witout closing thier eyes as well but we dont all do that do we !!!