Global warming?

[oldrider]

Yeah, that mindless media. I'm surprised they didn't blame an event caused by earthquakes/volcanic eruptions on a layer of insulating gasses surrounding the earth, too!

Those types of youtube videos are usually all in the same camp as the Loose Change/Zeitgeist videos.

Can I interest you in a book called the Protocols of the Elders of Zion?

Hmmm! The old "Protocols of Zion", I first read that book in 1964!

Amazingly, so much of it appears to be of substance and don't the actions speak "louder" than any of the words!

[Quasievil]

Rehash of the "Great Global Warming Swindle" by the looks. Two points of contention; Is CO2 the cause or the symptom? And if CO2 is the problem are humans a significant cause of it's increased levels?

Manmade C02 counts for 3.4% of total c02 emissions, of that 1.7% is absorbed.........so why do we need to pay tax on 1.7% when that little 1.7% amounts to nothin in the scale of change, and NZ would be a pathetically small donator to that figure.

ITS A SCAM

[SPORK]

Hmmm! The old "Protocols of Zion", I first read that book in 1964!

Amazingly, so much of it appears to be of substance and don't the actions speak "louder" than any of the words!

Please tell me you're joking... It's a blatantly false, anti-semetic text written with the sole purpose of providing such similar anti-semites with 'reason' for their hatred and distrust.

[Supermac Jr]

ITS A SCAM

There is a big difference between what the media report and what scientists agree.

The scientific community agreed back in 2000 that human activities are significantly influencing the environment with the body of scientific evidence proving it growing. I'm amazed that people still think that climate change is a myth or that humans aren't playing a significant part in causing it. WTF?

The lastest UNEP report shows that "climate change is accelerating at a much
faster pace than was previously thought by scientists". New scientific
evidence suggests important tipping points, leading to irreversible changes
in major Earth systems.

http://www.unep.org/compendium2009/P...endium2009.pdf

[Quasievil]

There is a big difference between what the media report and what scientists agree.

The scientific community agreed back in 2000 that human activities are significantly influencing the environment with the body of scientific evidence proving it growing. I'm amazed that people still think that climate change is a myth or that humans aren't playing a significant part in causing it. WTF?

The lastest UNEP report shows that "climate change is accelerating at a much
faster pace than was previously thought by scientists". New scientific
evidence suggests important tipping points, leading to irreversible changes
in major Earth systems.

http://www.unep.org/compendium2009/P...endium2009.pdf

Yes its amazing how many scientists will agree to B.S to get more funding.

3.4%......1.7% from humans thats science.

Climate is changing but dont blame us, blame your enviromental natural patterns

[SPORK]

Yes its amazing how many scientists will agree to B.S to get more funding.

3.4%......1.7% from humans thats science.

Climate is changing but dont blame us, blame your enviromental natural patterns

I struggle to understand or agree with your line of thinking when you to distrust the science from once camp while quoting figures from the other.

In your eyes what makes the skeptical scientists any more qualified?

If you feel you are more qualified than hundreds upon hundreds of independent researchers to make a call on this, then I guess arguing is absolutely pointless.

[Skyryder]

Hey Old Rider. Balls drop in hot weather=more sex, balls rise in cold weather=less sex. Now just look at the population increase. Global warming..........that proves it.


Skyryder

[Supermac Jr]

3.4% (probably even a bit lower between 1.5% and 3.3%) of the total is from us and around half is absorbed right . What happens to the half that's not absorbed? --> increase concentrations. We're also getting better at pumping the shit into the air. We've had annual growth of 3.3% between 2000 and 2006.
And the bit that is doing the absorption, mainly the oceans is not as effective at it anymore and absorbing less over time.

Yes natural processes play a part, but we're causing tipping points to be crossed. Such as the thawing of the tundra (heaps of methane released which is a more effective GHG than CO2). Some emissions also have a cooling effect (more particples in the air help more clouds to form and certain emissions have reflective characteristics, blah blah blah...) but the net effect is a increase in the ability of the atmosphere to absorb energy (heat) and its all the feedback loops (natural processes) that's the shit.

My experience with scientists is that they tend to be scientists and not wall street bankers and with the exception they tend to just' want to play in the academic field.

I don't subscribe to global warming but to climate change. 1 or 2 degrees is enough to cock-up the system like slowly boiling a frog

: The earthquakes were caused by GW- tui

[SPORK]

I don't think enough people are concerned with land/soil degradation. I don't have the figures on me at the moment but if I recall correctly approximately 40% of the world's agricultural land is in a state of degradation. 75% of land in Central Ameria is infertile.

I'm far from a treehugger, but as a species we really are doing a number on the planet.

[Naki Rat]

3.4% (probably even a bit lower between 1.5% and 3.3%) of the total is from us and around half is absorbed right . What happens to the half that's not absorbed? --> increase concentrations. We're also getting better at pumping the shit into the air. We've had annual growth of 3.3% between 2000 and 2006.
And the bit that is doing the absorption, mainly the oceans is not as effective at it anymore and absorbing less over time.

Yes natural processes play a part, but we're causing tipping points to be crossed. Such as the thawing of the tundra (heaps of methane released which is a more effective GHG than CO2). Some emissions also have a cooling effect (more particples in the air help more clouds to form and certain emissions have reflective characteristics, blah blah blah...) but the net effect is a increase in the ability of the atmosphere to absorb energy (heat) and its all the feedback loops (natural processes) that's the shit.

My experience with scientists is that they tend to be scientists and not wall street bankers and with the exception they tend to just' want to play in the academic field.

I don't subscribe to global warming but to climate change. 1 or 2 degrees is enough to cock-up the system like slowly boiling a frog

Similar views here with the addition that climate change will probably become noticed as increasingly volatile weather events rather than any actual noticeable warming. What we see as weather is the short term balancing of differing zones of temperature whereas climate is the long term average of such events. If the rate of balance between hot and cold zones becomes more active we get 'freak' weather but the overall climate doesn't reflect anywhere near the same degree of change.

[Naki Rat]

I don't think enough people are concerned with land/soil degradation. I don't have the figures on me at the moment but if I recall correctly approximately 40% of the world's agricultural land is in a state of degradation. 75% of land in Central Ameria is infertile.

I'm far from a treehugger, but as a species we really are doing a number on the planet.

Sounds like you may have seen "Home" . If you haven't it will blow your socks off

[SPORK]

Sounds like you may have seen "Home" . If you haven't it will blow your socks off

Woh, since when did youtube allow videos longer than 10 minutes or whatever?

Haven't seen this particular video, but will take a look at some stage. Learnt most I know on the subject (only to have forgotten it again) last/this year, as they tend to stress environmental impact pretty hard in architecture school, and it became a bit of an interest of mine.

[Quasievil]

In your eyes what makes the skeptical scientists any more qualified?

Simple there is no money in being skeptical

Scientists that have signed up to the B.S "global warming is caused by man so we must pay cash swindle"lol.......most of them arent even scientists.

There are higher qualified sceintists that are on the skeptic side in actual fact.

Want truth follow the money.......Al gore is laughing his $$$$ rich arse of

[Jantar]

...The scientific community agreed back in 2000 that human activities are significantly influencing the environment with the body of scientific evidence proving it growing. I'm amazed that people still think that climate change is a myth or that humans aren't playing a significant part in causing it. WTF?

Sorry, but the "scientic community" did not agree on any such thing. One of the key elements of scientic method is that if there is concensus then it isn't science. The so called "agreement" was the IPCC declaration which had 2500 contributors. Very few of these contributers were scientists and many of those that were scientists were government appointed with a pre-determined agenda. Few contributors were able to see the entire report and many changes to scientific statements were made.

[SPORK]

Simple there is no money in being skeptical

Scientists that have signed up to the B.S "global warming is caused by man so we must pay cash swindle"lol.......most of them arent even scientists.

There are higher qualified sceintists that are on the skeptic side in actual fact.

Want truth follow the money.......Al gore is laughing his $$$$ rich arse of

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Common sense suggests that the multinational conglomerate corporations have it in their interests to employ scientists to attempt to disprove climate change. So if we go with your theory of "want truth follow the money" it would lead us right back to those responsible for dumping millions of tonnes of GH gasses into the atmosphere.

Don't even get me started on "most scientists that research climate change aren't scientists" because that just made my head hurt.

Even if you do not believe the evidence pointing towards climate change, you simply cannot deny the irresponsible and unsustainable nature of our consumption of resources, manufacturing methods and first world lifestyles.