Well bikers are screwed - ACC levy

[Murray]

I say read the thread that is 15-16 pages long and started about an hour or 2 ago

[HenryDorsetCase]

Oh by the way they are introducing a new court system designed to clear the backlog of minor offenses , such as not paying ACC

The judge isn't a legalized book learned judge ( of the dread variety )

but a normal person with a bit of community history

they can do any case that has a potential of up to 3 months in prison after that they must refer it tot a bondage loving geriatric

Soooo

your non paying protest WILL be seen earlier and the fines Will get collected sooner and a criminal record Will stop one or too later activities ,,,( not that I wanted to visit America anyway )

Go 12 % of the Population !!!!

Stephen

Ruuuth where are you Ruth,,,,,,,

Its Dredd, by the way.

[paddy]

The problem with protesting on bikes is that it isnt that effective.

Every protest ride ive been on ive been disappointed that we get funnelled into two lanes, still allowing traffic to pass on one lane, slows things up a bit, but nothing like the impact the truckies had.
ah if only all motorcyclists had a truck knocking around on the back lawn *sigh*

Yes but a protest doesn't need to disadvantage others. You are not going to black-mail the government into change. What a protest does it gets you free media attention. You can then use this platform to launch an organised an concerted campaign.

[Katman]

bit of a worry that - when someone refers to themself as a grown-up and others as kiddies - pompous fucking arse more like

Go sit over there with the kiddies.

[Drogen Omen]

well all i can say is time to sell the 1200cc bike and get me a 90cc scooter cause that is fucking rude...

Must be time to organise a protest ride... clog up the motorway and wellington city centers...

[HenryDorsetCase]

Or at least do the rego per person - that means regardless of vehicle, how many you own etc..
and that covers cyclists, rugby players etc...

Your suggestion is superficially attractive but completely unworkable: cue poll tax riots.

[mephistopheles]

I don't normally contribute to threads, but I'm personally outraged by the unjustifiable proposed increases to the ACC levy for bikers. I can't believe they are railroading such a bullshit knee-jerk hike- obviously no thought has been applied to the rise. We are being subsidised by other motorists by $70 a year, eh? Don't know how their creative accounting department massaged those numbers. Well maybe we- not just bikers, but other motorists- are propping up other areas such as, oh- sports injuries? You can't tell me our treasured national 'sport' doesn't fill up the emergency wards every weekend, and that's just the tip of the iceberg. Rugby, martial arts, soccer, back injuries by d.i.y gone bad, the tip of the iceberg. And all those welchers bludging on ACC- I think we all have heard of somebody with a 'bad back', 'sore neck' or some other fictitious hard-to-disprove ailment being seen laying their new driveway, felling trees or doing the clutch in a mate's car...

600cc cut off for the big price hikes? It makes a mockery of all the larger LAM exemptions doesn't it? Sorry, the mild mannered machine you bought because it suited you is suddenly unsafe...

This, if it goes through, will single-handedly screw the larger motorcycle market. I think the financial implications of this proposed idiocy have not been considered. I hope bike shops everywhere are battening down the hatches in anticipation of much reduced over 750cc bike sales. So much for the recession- sorry guys, just bend over and take another length.

I hope this levy increase comes with compulsory third party insurance, because that's about the only way they will be able to stiff-arm this crap onto the poor sods who choose to ride larger bikes for reasons of comfort, lifestyle or necessity. Aren't bikes supposed to be kinder to the environment? They use less non renewable resources, don't damage roads like the average 18 wheeler, take up less parking space in town and if you are unlucky enough to bin one, often there are no other parties involved or hurt. To need the services of ACC.

I think there will be a lot of people out there who will choose to ride without registration- hey, for two $400 no-rego fines, it is almost worth the risk of running the gauntlet and hoping you don't get pinged for the same money. And if there is to be a 600cc cut-off for the biggest increases, I foresee a lot of GSX-R600s and R6s being sold and ridden in the manner not only which they were intended for, but also with a view to absolutely maximising the value for money from registration. And Pilot Powers. And 96 octane. Which will no doubt have gone up in the ensuing period.

[grusomhat]

I say read the thread that is 15-16 pages long and started about an hour or 2 ago

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/pr...do=editoptions >Thread display options > Show 40 posts per page

[p.dath]

That is why I created a seperate thread away from the full on rant. Hopefully this one will be a bit shorter.

[James Deuce]

Cut the shit and quote a source

I've done it REPEATEDLY.

How about you cut the laziness and go visit Stats NZ yourself?

http://www.transport.govt.nz/researc...%20crashes.pdf

Table 33 and 34.

I was wrong too. Fatalities are about 40% cornering related, not 50%.

[spmcg]

Remember these rises are proposal by ACC. One thing we can do is to make submissions to ACC (see elsewhere in this thread). That is the bureaucratic portion. The final decision is however a political one.

ACC will make submissions to the Minister, the Hon Dr Nick Smith. Aside from making a submission it is also important for each one of us to email Dr Smith:

(N.Smith@ministers.govt.nz
and also for those of you in his electorate, nick@nick4nelson.co.nz)

I have already done so and if its helpful here's a template that you can adapt (I have multiple bikes):


"I read today reports regarding changes to ACC, in particular the increases in ACC levy for motorcycles. For myself, owner of [insert number or type of bike with engine size, e.g., "two motorcycles both over 600cc"], the increase[s] amount[s] to $493.08 [per motorcycle, or a total of $986.16 per annum to owners of two over 600cc: adjust as required]. This for a person that has private vehicle insurance and no previous ACC claims and who uses motorcycles for leisure [adjust for your situation].



I am sure that some motorcycle riders are at a high risk of accident; the appropriate method to ensure that they pay their fair share is to target by demographic rather than use a blunt tool such as engine capacity. I also note that there is no levy whatsoever proposed for casual players of sports such as rugby, despite their high risk of accident. Nor is there any concrete proposal to limit the increases you propose I should bear by reference to my driving or claim record.



I am disappointed at this proposal and write to advise you and your colleagues that if this comes to pass the National Party loses my vote in perpetuity. I am simply appalled that you feel I should pay [adjust as required (in my case "close to an extra one thousand")] dollars per annum for nothing.

I shall also encourage others to take the same stance; the sort of people that can afford large capacity motorcycles also being within the demographic that traditionally supports your party."

Add any other points you want to make. I suggest keeping it civil. You will get an autobot reply. Don't expect a personal reply - the aim here is to impress with sheer numbers, so encourage others to email as well. Those in the trade should also email their local MP and probably also the PM, pointing out the threat to business from this move.

[NINJA_250R]

I reckon they are just taking the stats for number of crashes that have happened through out the year and comparing with previous years!

Where they didn't compare the stats for the increase in number of riders throughout last few years!

There are more bikers out there, ofcoz there's gonna be more accidents happening..... That data is just bias....

Fked up govt

[Beeza]

And how can it be fair to charge the same ACC risk to someone who does around 200kms a year only on sunny high holidays and someone who does 30 000kms a year in all murky weathers every day? Surely risk goes up with time and distance spent in the saddle being exposed to the danger you're insured against?

[Reckless]

The problem with protesting on bikes is that it isnt that effective.

Every protest ride ive been on ive been disappointed that we get funnelled into two lanes, still allowing traffic to pass on one lane

Only because we let them!! This time we won't!

[Swoop]

Surely all this talk of not paying Regos also means that you won't have Warrants?

Don't you need to have your Rego up to date to get a Warrant, or is it the other way around?

Who cares, now...

PPS you voted for them ..... we said nooo don't do it , but ya just had to carry on , now look at the mess you have caused .....

With a big "thanks liarbour" for fucking up the system and leaving a big debt when they were ceremoniusly ousted.

It's time the pushbikes, contact sports and drunks started paying their share

Downhill mountan biking is top of the list. How much ACC do they pay?


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