Well bikers are screwed - ACC levy

**fireliv** · 15th October 2009, 21:57

Completely agree with you Griffin. National has always been against ACC, this is a way of getting rid of it.

It has its faults but I dont think that it is a completely worthless system. They just need to get money out of the people that use it the most, IE sport related injued people, and alcohol related injured people

**SARGE** · 15th October 2009, 22:01

Originally Posted by Griffin

The Fat Cats in power will be sitting in the Beehive looking out their window and waiting for the rumble of a hundred thousand motorbikes... and when that happens, they will be rubbing their chubby little hands together.

wont be if they see a hundred thousand motorbikes with softball bats strapped to the pillion seats

**ready4whatever** · 15th October 2009, 22:02

The biggest fuckin cover up since the roswell space craft

**Griffin** · 15th October 2009, 22:02

Originally Posted by MadDuck

OMG...thats sooooo funny. Pack up the kids the NZ gummint has a secret agenda and it involves motorcylists....nuclear ships are coming...P will be made legal.

Get your emergency kits and head for the hills...or Australia.

JEEZ GET REAL!

Great pisstake come troll...love it

Hmmm... yeah - you're right. Silly me, when has a government EVER done anything underhand in order to get what it wants... what was I thinking.

**fresh trax** · 16th October 2009, 06:00

The government has had this on their agenda for some time. They have a neo liberal approach that means that their goal is to limit the role of the state and of course make services more user pay. This has been on their agenda for years and they now are in a confidence and supply agreement which can go in the publics favour as the maori party has a more social developmental view. The more submissions sent the better, forming a group to put pressure on the government will help so that they do this in a more realistic way across the board and not heavily target motorcyclists. The good thing is that because this has rocked the boat between the parties it has slowed the whole process down - they will try and push this through as quick as possible. They are also dismantelling the education, health and welfare systems and they have for years talked about privitiising acc and this is keeping them on track. This is about their values and goals and not about the recession - that is a smokescreen for them wanting to change institutions in our country. Generally this means the poor or marginalised get pinned

**ckai** · 16th October 2009, 06:50

Surely everyone has seen this before but this would be perfect.

Mas-group to paliament, all those that can't travel down (or up), go to their local MP's office, at the stroke of [insert time here] fire up the steads and give NZ a bit of a rumble.

**Elysium** · 16th October 2009, 06:51

Hmmmm cover the Beehive with a smoke screen?

**5150** · 16th October 2009, 07:06

I think the logical thing to do for the goverment would be:

Remove ACC levy from all vehicle regos
Make third party insurance compulsary
Tag on ACC levy to insurance, which would be then calculated on individuals risk taking into account your safety record, infringments etc.

What this would do is take away the argument from who was at fault, bikers or cagers. As when you put a claim in they will straight away know who was at fault. so if biker at fault your ACC levy gets affected, if cager was at fault then they pay higher levy.

I think this would be the only fair way of proportioning the ACC levy.

On the other hand cyclists should pay ACC levy for privelage of using public roads. If they want to moan about inconsiderate drivers then they should pay up too. Otherwise stay the fuck off the road, and don't expect people caring if you ride like a twat and someone else runs into you or opens the car door.

My 2 cents

**samgab** · 16th October 2009, 09:47

Originally Posted by dpex

I wonder if Key and his lot are playing a very clever game; ergo, make hugely controversial statements, attack a small group with Bunker-bomb, then sit back and wait for the screams. This then paves the way for an ever-so-reasonable reassessment of proposals, prefaced of course with, 'The fact is we have to do something to turn the tide of the ACC shortfall.'...

And it begins...
http://www.3news.co.nz/ACC-Minister-...ticleID=125671

**Ragingrob** · 16th October 2009, 09:51

Just saw on the nightline preview that Rodney Hyde has pulled his party out of support of ACC as he disagrees with the changes entirely.

http://www.3news.co.nz/Politics/Stor...7/Default.aspx

**Swoop** · 16th October 2009, 10:00

Originally Posted by 5150

I think the logical thing to do for the goverment would be:

Remove ACC levy from all vehicle regos...

Small drawback with that plan... the gubbinment will never do something that will reduce the tax intake.

It's all about $$$'s.

**rosie631** · 16th October 2009, 10:00

We may be screwed after all. I was planning on putting rego on hold and riding anyway. cop the fine if I get caught. However I have just spoken to the insurance company. Harley Davidson Insurance underwritten by Swann. I asked if you are still covered for an accident if the bike is unregistered or rego is on hold. They will NOT cover you. Bike will be covered for fire and theft but NOT for accident because you would be on the road illegally. That changes things a lot for me. Now thinking I'm just gonna have to bite the bullet and pay the fucking thing. Anyone actually spoken to any other insurance companies about this??

**cowpatz** · 16th October 2009, 10:15

John Key will be opening the information centre in kumeu this afternoon (Fri 16th Oct) at 2pm if anyone is interested in an informal protest over ACC levies.
The info centre is located opposite the Shell gas station at the southern entrance to Kumeu village.

**2wheeldrifter** · 16th October 2009, 10:18

even if only a few show with a sign or two in the back ground would be good...

**Pixie** · 16th October 2009, 10:26

Originally Posted by rosie631

It would be interesting to know how much we all actually pay in ACC levies. For me, it's 2 cars, 1 bike, wages, petrol. Probably a few more sneaky ways they're collecting it too. By the time all that's added up I am damn sure I could get it privately for less.
I work in the private health system and we used to do a lot of orthopaedic work for ACC. They have clamped right down on claims and are calling every injury they can 'wear and tear'. So basically we are paying a LOT more for sweet FUCK ALL.

Way more than if it was from a private insurance scheme.
For example: what insurance scheme for work accidents,bases the premium on how much you earn?
How the fuck does that affect risk?