Had a chat with big John

[Sanx]

You can always tell when a politician is lying....... their lips are moving.

I thought it was if they had a pulse.

[2wheeldrifter]

I thought it was if they had a pulse.

Yes it's the one's with a pulse that you have too watch... not so obvious as the "lip moving" politician.

[StoneY]

Today I managed to chat with john Key whilst he opened up the local info centre here in Kumeu.
incredibly he was not aware of the degree of ACC increase we were facing.

As a person who WORKED for the Government, and reported directly to senior ministers not very long ago , if you believe he was NOT aware of what the ACC minister was going to announce on NATIONAL TV last night you need to wake up and smell the BULLSHIT

Of COURSE he fuckin knew

NO minister makes ANY public announcement of such a pending change to legislation without the 'leaders' consent

You swallowed his PR bullshit hook line and sinker

[Genie]

You can always tell when a politician is lying....... their lips are moving.

...and not just limited to politicians

[MyGSXF:Me]

Top effort CP!!

[Papa Bear]

Well done and thanks for having a chat to big John, big bad John.

I sent an email to MP wanker Clayton Cosgrove late last night, asking why he is not saying anything on this as he seems to always have something to say..... usally about nothing, anyway I had a call from his office today and they emailed me a press release that Hon Rick Barker had released.............


Government moves will prejudice motorcyclists


Most bikers will see the Government's plans to hike up motorcycle levies
as irrefutable proof of the prejudice in the system against
motorcyclists, says Labour MP Rick Barker.

"The decision, announced by ACC Minister Nick Smith yesterday, is
arbitrary on a number of fronts.

"The cut-off points in terms of cc ratings don't take into account the
relative power of motorcycles," says Rick Barker.

"It is incompetent to treat a vintage 650cc motorcycle, which wheezes
and gasps down the road as more dangerous than a 250cc modern bike
capable of doing more than 200kph.

"The proposed changes also ignore the fact that many motorcyclists own
multiple bikes. I have friends who own up to seven bikes, each for
different purposes: off-road, trail, touring and collectables - and they
could end up paying about $5000 just to ride their bikes. They can only
ride one at a time.

"They will probably have to go the bank manager to ride their bikes, if
Nick Smith has his way, to try to afford to pay the levies," Rick Barker
says.

"The decision undermines the no-fault aspect of the ACC Scheme,
particularly when most motorcycle accidents are caused by cars.

"How is it fair that a motorcyclist is knocked off their bike by a car
and then charged much higher levies for the experience? This means the
victim pays.

"Motorcyclists are of the view that there should be no distinction
between them and car users," Rick Barker says.

"This plan is to simply drive bikes off the road, despite the fact they
are more environmentally friendly than cars and help to reduce carbon
emissions.

"Surely the solution is not encouraging the use of three-tonne four
wheel drive planet-thrashers?"


....... At lest we do have a few MP's around that ride bikes themselves, that got to help in this crap not going ahead.

[dmc]

I have heard nothing for Cosgrove either, atleast Key's office emailed to say that they have sent it to Nick Smith as its his department.

[GOONR]

Just got this reply back....

On behalf of the Prime Minister, Hon John Key, I acknowledge your email concerning proposed changes to ACC.

The issue you have raised falls within the portfolio responsibility of the Minister for ACC. I note you have also copied your letter to the Minister and you will receive a reply from the Minister in due course.

Thank you for writing to Mr Key to share your concerns.

Regards,
Briane Smith
Private Secretary, Office of the Prime Minister

[StoneY]

Just got this reply back....

On behalf of the Prime Minister, Hon John Key, I acknowledge your email concerning proposed changes to ACC.

The issue you have raised falls within the portfolio responsibility of the Minister for ACC. I note you have also copied your letter to the Minister and you will receive a reply from the Minister in due course.

Thank you for writing to Mr Key to share your concerns.

Regards,
Briane Smith
Private Secretary, Office of the Prime Minister

And that's how it works, they claim the 'secretary' never brought it to thier attention

BUT good on JK's PA for replying to ya dude

Its the worker bees who shield the flak while mr 250k a year PM gets to plead 'no one told ME'

Good Tui ad this thread, truly is they should sponsor the site now!

[sinfull]

Still recon ya should have taken my slingshot !!!

[Mom]

Today I managed to chat with john Key whilst he opened up the local info centre here in Kumeu.
2 of us showed up dressed in bike leathers (the locals were braced for trouble ). He listened to our arguments and incredibly he was not aware of the degree of ACC increase we were facing.
He is actually quite sympathetic to our plight. We need to collectively apply pressure but in a disciplined and reasoned fashion.

You think the Prime Minister was not briefed about this? Of course he knew! He just was totally unprepared for some flithy, dirty, biker scum to tackle him first day out, nor in person

He may not know the detail, but I promise you he knew about it. He is consumate polly.

Top effort that man, first in first served

[Pixie]

Well done and thanks for having a chat to big John, big bad John.

I sent an email to MP wanker Clayton Cosgrove late last night, asking why he is not saying anything on this as he seems to always have something to say..... usally about nothing, anyway I had a call from his office today and they emailed me a press release that Hon Rick Barker had released.............


Government moves will prejudice motorcyclists


Most bikers will see the Government's plans to hike up motorcycle levies
as irrefutable proof of the prejudice in the system against
motorcyclists, says Labour MP Rick Barker.

"The decision, announced by ACC Minister Nick Smith yesterday, is
arbitrary on a number of fronts.

"The cut-off points in terms of cc ratings don't take into account the
relative power of motorcycles," says Rick Barker.

"It is incompetent to treat a vintage 650cc motorcycle, which wheezes
and gasps down the road as more dangerous than a 250cc modern bike
capable of doing more than 200kph.

"The proposed changes also ignore the fact that many motorcyclists own
multiple bikes. I have friends who own up to seven bikes, each for
different purposes: off-road, trail, touring and collectables - and they
could end up paying about $5000 just to ride their bikes. They can only
ride one at a time.

"They will probably have to go the bank manager to ride their bikes, if
Nick Smith has his way, to try to afford to pay the levies," Rick Barker
says.

"The decision undermines the no-fault aspect of the ACC Scheme,
particularly when most motorcycle accidents are caused by cars.

"How is it fair that a motorcyclist is knocked off their bike by a car
and then charged much higher levies for the experience? This means the
victim pays.

"Motorcyclists are of the view that there should be no distinction
between them and car users," Rick Barker says.

"This plan is to simply drive bikes off the road, despite the fact they
are more environmentally friendly than cars and help to reduce carbon
emissions.

"Surely the solution is not encouraging the use of three-tonne four
wheel drive planet-thrashers?"


....... At lest we do have a few MP's around that ride bikes themselves, that got to help in this crap not going ahead.

That Barker sounds like he's got a brain in his head
I wonder why he's a pinko?

[Pixie]

Well done and thanks for having a chat to big John, big bad John.

I sent an email to MP wanker Clayton Cosgrove late last night, asking why he is not saying anything on this as he seems to always have something to say..... usally about nothing, anyway I had a call from his office today and they emailed me a press release that Hon Rick Barker had released.............


Government moves will prejudice motorcyclists


Most bikers will see the Government's plans to hike up motorcycle levies
as irrefutable proof of the prejudice in the system against
motorcyclists, says Labour MP Rick Barker........

That Barker sounds like he's got a brain in his head
I wonder why he's a pinko?

[ready4whatever]

Stoneys right he sure would of known about it.
this whole countries fuct with the leaders it has. in 18 years time clayton weatherston will get out of jail to become prime minister

[cowpatz]

Maybe I should clarify.
He was aware of ACC changes but he was not aware of the magnitude of the levy increase. To respond with "ouch" is not a typical politicians response.
This was one of the responses he gave when I informed him of the cost increase I was facing. Your'e right he is a politician and I am not that naive to think that it means much at all. However it is keeping the issue alive in his mind and making him aware that all is not happy in New Nat land.