Close Up tonight (22 October)

**Genestho** · 22nd October 2009, 18:26

Originally Posted by Katman

So if it's going to cost $10,000 for that information why the fuck aren't we looking at ways of raising that money?

Nah ACC guy said he was going to make sure he gets the info, I'd say free of charge! Considering ACC guy reconed he found it hard to believe they'd been quoted that amount.

**mdooher** · 22nd October 2009, 18:27

Les:"you told us it would cost $10,000"
ACC spanker:"I find that Hard to believe"
someone in ACC better put a magazine down their pants tomorrow

**Pussy** · 22nd October 2009, 18:28

Originally Posted by T.G.W

Considering ACC guy reconed he found it hard to believe they'd been quoted that amount.

That Acc guy was miles out of his depth. Just a glorified figurehead with little knowledge

**Katman** · 22nd October 2009, 18:29

Originally Posted by Pussy

The "ACC gentleman" reckoned he was going to give BRONZ the info... how true that is, however...

I don't think that the information that the ACC guy was prepared to hand over is the information that we need. We need full disclosure of all motorcycle accident information. Not just bare numbers.

If that exposes dirt bike riders and farm bike riders as being accountable, so be it.

**mynameis** · 22nd October 2009, 18:30

Originally Posted by Katman

So if it's going to cost $10,000 for that information why the fuck aren't we looking at ways of raising that money?

Others have spoken.

Originally Posted by dmc

We need all the support we can get, BRONZ are fighting for all of us but I think the public face of motorcycles is well know racers like Aaron Slight and the King brothers etc would add some weight to the argument, look at how well the movie the fastest indian did with the general public, if we could get the general public associating motorcycling as a New Zealand way of life we would gain huge support.

Valid point.

**NighthawkNZ:Me** · 22nd October 2009, 18:30

Originally Posted by Owl

Accurate?

Isn't there something like 110,000 registered bikes on the road? So if we should be paying $3700 in levies (according to Mr ACC), that would equate to $407,000,000!

Something not quite right me thinks!

assuming the registered for the full year?

but yes the math still doesn't work...

**nothingflash** · 22nd October 2009, 18:30

Originally Posted by McWild

I think that was a very good interview.

I'm glad there wasn't any bashing of rugby or dirt bikes because in such a short space of time it would have been difficult to make those claims come across as more than just petty "But but but they don't have to pay why should IIIIIII" statements.

Good work on keeping the interview down to earth.

Yep, good on you Ixion - a great interview. You had a small number of very clear points and had the ACC man on the ropes. I don't think it matters who at PWC looks at the figures... $77 x 3.whatever million is still over $200M!

**Genestho** · 22nd October 2009, 18:31

Originally Posted by Pussy

That Acc guy was miles out of his depth. Just a glorified figurehead with little knowledge

The first statement was very self assured, but after Les was done he was struggling wasn't he?

**Marmoot** · 22nd October 2009, 18:32

Originally Posted by davereid

Fuck me, I hardly ever give red bling but you qualify big time.

66% of collisions are caused by the car driver.
11% of accidents that dont invlove a collision are caused by the car driver.

Find better facts, quote 'em and I'll read 'em.

Otherwise please stop dribbling in a public place.

I don't like Katman either, but I think this needs clarification (i.e., "katman's right, you're wrong!")
http://www.transport.govt.nz/researc...-Factsheet.pdf

Single vehicle, no rider fault: 3%
Single vehicle, rider fault: 26%
Multi vehicle, rider fault: 25%
Multi vehicle, rider partial fault: 7%
Multi vehicle, car's fault: 39%

So, based on faults:
- no one's fault: 3%
- rider makes a mistake: 58%
- cager's fault: 39%

Just feel lucky I didn't red bling you, but I believe you owe an apology and/or Katman can red bling you.

And I need to add that ACC is no fault system. Meaning the cause of accident should be irrelevant to the levy. The only affecting factors should be the average cost of claims and the number of claims per year. In other words, we can have 99% of the bikers crashing and still low levy if no one is injured. But that's in an utopian world I think.

**Motu** · 22nd October 2009, 18:33

You should have asked Mark Sainsbury to come down on his own bike Les.

**Tony.OK** · 22nd October 2009, 18:33

Fancy going to the low level of saying car owners would have to pay $70 odd to subsidise bloody bikers..................that screamed dirty tactics to me.

Like cage owners don't already think badly of us.............fucking Govt bullshit!!

**NighthawkNZ:Me** · 22nd October 2009, 18:34

Originally Posted by Tony.OK

Fancy going to the low level of saying car owners would have to pay $70 odd to subsidise bloody bikers..................that screamed dirty tactics to me.

Like cage owners don't already think badly of us.............fucking Govt bullshit!!

and most bikers are subsidising them self anyway

**Blackbird** · 22nd October 2009, 18:35

Very good interview and well done Les. I still think we need another string to the bow as well though, namely that ACC rises do nothing to address the root cause, namely poor driver skills. It literally is the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff. If driver skills don't change, then it's simply cost plus.

**zahria** · 22nd October 2009, 18:35

Originally Posted by Tony.OK

Fancy going to the low level of saying car owners would have to pay $70 odd to subsidise bloody bikers..................that screamed dirty tactics to me.

Like cage owners don't already think badly of us.............fucking Govt bullshit!!

I tried reading you message, honest. But bouncing breasts are slightly distracting...