Not allowed to hand out BikersAgainstACCLevies pamphlet at CHCH Biketoberfest

[caseye]

" Poted by Laxi,I completely agree that rider training is the way to go! now convince ACC that. The fact remains this event was aimed at riders! you dont expect nuns to rock up to the exotica expo do you? the interests of the punters should at the very least match those of the sponsor dont you think"
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LOL come on Laxi cut the guy some slack, months ago being on side with ACC and making practical in roads into rider safety was a great idea, still is!
I've seen nuns at the Erotica expo!

[kave]

Rider training is excellent. Unfortunately ride forever is an (admittedly relatively benevolent) arm of the guys who are trying to rape motorcyclists. Do you not think it would be prudent to cease any association with them, at least until this current mess is sorted out.

Is their literature absolutely necessary? is it really more helpful than something written by a specialist motorcycle trainer (such as Keith Code). There must be some free alternatives out there in the public domain, people have been trying to stop motorcyclists killing themselves for as long as motorbikes have been around.

I have the rideforever DVDs, have to say that I didn't find them particularly useful. If you honestly believe that the best option available to you is to continue to utilise ACC resources then do so, just expect the same level of loyalty from customers as you are showing to them.

[Laxi]

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I've seen nuns at the Erotica expo!

if they're inserting vibrating things, they aint real nuns mate

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Well......I've read through all of the angry posturing above and can scarcely believe motorcyclists are being so petty.

Dunedin's biketober which was ACC sponsered had noth about bike safety, or bike awareness for cage drivers, it was just a way to sell to bikers... I doubt that there were many non-bikers having a good look about.

However we were handing out pamphlets and talking abut ACC etc, MCR was handing out flyers about it all and what we as public can do...

I guess the point being bikers already know that the stats are a bit iffy and don't add up, average joe public don't they still here bikers only gave 12m, and acc spent 62m... till we get it to the average Jo public that thats not entirely the full story and bikers a gave more than that with fuel and all other levies... and that the 62m is anot just last years claims, but all active previous claims pre 1999 before the change to fully funded.

The irony of ACC funding this event, and we are now only just starting to see the odd bill board and advert...(but stil fair and few between) but I have never seen any bike awareness advert from ACC in 20 odd years till recently... They knew abouit the proposle months ago same time they would have been organising the sponsering of Biketober if not before so the irony of it all...

ACC should be funding rider traing courses like RRRT and Otago's Ride Right Course through out the country... Dunedins one is run by BRONZ and the Otago Motorcycle Club... Though ACC support it, they need to push more and sponser it fund it...

[Laxi]

If you honestly believe that the best option available to you is to continue to utilise ACC resources then do so, just expect the same level of loyalty from customers as you are showing to them.

[caseye]

I wondered about that???? Na truely I did!

[lakedaemonian]

Well......I've read through all of the angry posturing above and can scarcely believe motorcyclists are being so petty.

I know nothing about Biketoberquest but imagine it's not organised and paid for by Christchurch City Council. Instead it only occurs because bike shops led by Rolling Thunder put it on. If the organisers decide not to allow pamphleteering they are perfectly entitled to do so.

No big deal and furthermore it seems a spot was offered to distribute from.

Another bit of disclosure...thanks to the Christchurch City Council for their help in allowing us to run the event.

We had some substantial cash costs with the Manchester Street closure with both the Council and the Traffic Management Plan.

Both the Christchurch City Council and our TMP folks either sharpened their pencil or went the extra mile in helping us to plan/execute the event.....great folks to work with.

While everyone is focused on ACC levies(for good reason) and ACC's limited involvement with our event....to be honest our biggest concern was the risk of civil disobedience events that might make things awkward for the NZ Police Motorcycle Unit which has been a great participant in the rider Safety training led by Golightly Insurance over this past year as well as active participants in Biketoberfest......as well as a desire to get the Christchurch City Council even more behind the event for next year.

Getting the street closed took a lot of effort, we want to do everything we can to ensure we can continue to do next year.

We are having a revue of this event in just over a week's time......for those that attended feedback is appreciated...this issue will be included of course......including: what really occurred at the event, this thread, and it's outcome

Assuming it's not 463 pages of dog pile by then

[Laxi]

to be honest our biggest concern was the risk of civil disobedience events that might make things awkward for the NZ Police Motorcycle Unit which has been a great participant in the rider Safety training led by Golightly Insurance over this past year as well as active participants in Biketoberfest

you guys dont have one news as sponsor do ya?

[NONONO]

Another bit of disclosure...thanks to the Christchurch City Council for their help in allowing us to run the event.

We had some substantial cash costs with the Manchester Street closure with both the Council and the Traffic Management Plan.

Both the Christchurch City Council and our TMP folks either sharpened their pencil or went the extra mile in helping us to plan/execute the event.....great folks to work with.

While everyone is focused on ACC levies(for good reason) and ACC's limited involvement with our event....to be honest our biggest concern was the risk of civil disobedience events that might make things awkward for the NZ Police Motorcycle Unit which has been a great participant in the rider Safety training led by Golightly Insurance over this past year as well as active participants in Biketoberfest......as well as a desire to get the Christchurch City Council even more behind the event for next year.

Getting the street closed took a lot of effort, we want to do everything we can to ensure we can continue to do next year.

We are having a revue of this event in just over a week's time......for those that attended feedback is appreciated...this issue will be included of course......including: what really occurred at the event, this thread, and it's outcome

Assuming it's not 463 pages of dog pile by then

All sounds good...but what we want to know is, did you guys (Rolling Thunder, Golightly Insurance and ACC) stop people handing out the flyers promoting the Bikeoi and opposing the ACC hikes?

[lakedaemonian]

you guts dont have one news as sponsor do ya?

I did meet the TV One reporter and cameraman on Saturday as well our local MPs.

After I spoke with them I kind of hung back and listened in to the many random motorcyclists from our community asked/answered questions in regards to ACC Levies.

I was quite impressed with how many folks on our community eloquently conveyed themselves....well done.

[Laxi]

All sounds good...but what we want to know is, did you guys (Rolling Thunder, Golightly Insurance and ACC) stop people handing out the flyers promoting the Bikeoi and opposing the ACC hikes?

I did meet the TV One reporter and cameraman on Saturday as well our local MPs.

After I spoke with them I kind of hung back and listened in to the many random motorcyclists from our community asked/answered questions in regards to ACC Levies.

I was quite impressed with how many folks on our community eloquently conveyed themselves....well done.

EDIT: motorcyclists aint as dumb as you seem yo think, kissing up wont help avoid the answer

[Conquiztador]

Another bit of disclosure...thanks to the Christchurch City Council for their help.... blabla bla.....
Assuming it's not 463 pages of dog pile by then

Dogpile? You are the one filling this with that crap. You might not have noticed, but this IS about the hike in ACC levies, but you ramble on re Chch city and god knows what.

You still don't get it do you? Riders are peed off re the unreasonable hikes, the lies by the government, what this will mean to them. And you are concerned re closing the street so your fluffy "get all bike shops together" thingy can go on. You are taking no stand in this.

If the ones from KB who are putting heaps of time and effort had been contacted by you (you do state that you read KB often...) and offered to put forward their argument as you do support them, do you think you would now have to defend your self? Do you think, as a business man, that could have been a good idea?

I still recon your best bet is to admit you fucked up, apologise and do something to help the cause. But I have been known to hallucinate...

[kevfromcoro]

I did meet the TV One reporter and cameraman on Saturday as well our local MPs.

After I spoke with them I kind of hung back and listened in to the many random motorcyclists from our community asked/answered questions in regards to ACC Levies.

I was quite impressed with how many folks on our community eloquently conveyed themselves....well done.

And how many people eloquently conveyed themselves

NOT well done..........

[Conquiztador]

I did meet the TV One reporter and cameraman on Saturday as well our local MPs.

After I spoke with them I kind of hung back and listened in to the many random motorcyclists from our community asked/answered questions in regards to ACC Levies.

I was quite impressed with how many folks on our community eloquently conveyed themselves....well done.

FFS!! You dont know when to stop do you...

[lakedaemonian]

Rider training is excellent. Unfortunately ride forever is an (admittedly relatively benevolent) arm of the guys who are trying to rape motorcyclists. Do you not think it would be prudent to cease any association with them, at least until this current mess is sorted out.

Is their literature absolutely necessary? is it really more helpful than something written by a specialist motorcycle trainer (such as Keith Code). There must be some free alternatives out there in the public domain, people have been trying to stop motorcyclists killing themselves for as long as motorbikes have been around.

I have the rideforever DVDs, have to say that I didn't find them particularly useful. If you honestly believe that the best option available to you is to continue to utilise ACC resources then do so, just expect the same level of loyalty from customers as you are showing to them.

I think we have a pretty well organized, run, and resourced dealership....but we already do a LOT of stuff in house.....and we are often already overloaded.

I don't dispute your opinion or other sources......they sound like they have potential...but when faced with a blizzard of daily/weekly issues......the amount of time that would need to be dedicated to just this one issue of replacing ACC rideforever.co.nz literature would take away time with customers or something else as important.

We all ultimately have limited resources.......customers only have so much money/time to spend, dealers only have so much money/time to look after their customers......free(which we have actually PAID for) resources that help keep upright works for me.....I'd rather explain a stance on using free rider safety resources 100 times than visit one customer in hospital.

Probably a bit melo-dramatic but I guess 6 of one half dozen the other.