Wellington Parking - They are about to clamp down on bike parking

[Laxi]

wow what a job.. get to talk to us bikers on line and get paid!!!

yeah but how much do they have to pay him to talk to you AJ?

[XP@]

Seconded, It is great to see some really good, open information coming directly in to the conversation.

Thanks!
James

Now if ACC were as open and honest....

Ups to mr Visser gentlemen

In this thread we have ragged him a bit at timea and all along he kept a sane and level attitude, never getting emotional, never responding with anyting except VERIFIED facts.....

Kudos to you John

You have been honest with us from day one

Thank you

[scootnz]

Umm...are you sure that park in College St is actually there? Because the motorcycle park that used to be opposite L'Affare cafe, which you can still actually see in google maps satellite view - has been gone for months.

Jess

All going well the next lot of flyers will have been issued today. Fingers crossed that the weather will remain dry until everyone has returned to their bikes.

A sample of the flyer is attached. There are three versions: CBD North, CBD Central and CBD South. This was done to maximise the scale for printing and there is a decent overlap between the areas.

A full map covering the whole city is also attached. This will be posted on our external web pages, which are currently being updated.

[Jon Visser]

Umm...are you sure that park in College St is actually there?

It looks like when our contractors resealed this road a few months ago they reinstated the parking layout incorrectly as there is a problem with the underlying traffic resolution. We will arrange for the motorcycle park to be reinstated in College Street ASAP. I am quite surprised that this was not picked up (by our contract managers or the public) and brought to our attention earlier. I must apologise for this oversight - I did send someone around to verify that all these sites existed (and I was not aware of any removal of parking spaces) but that was about half a year ago now. Any other such issues please let me know so I can resolve them.

[ajturbo]

Any other such issues please let me know so I can resolve them.

i am sure there was one ... just outside my office ... but it's gone now....

HONEST

[Jon Visser]

The following web pages have been updated:
http://www.wellington.govt.nz/servic...ing/index.html
http://www.wellington.govt.nz/servic.../onstreet.html

[idleidolidyll]

http://www.wellington.govt.nz/news/d...em.php?id=3614



100 new parks in the last year!. None of which are in the area where they are needed. Also If you do the maths (which they obviously haven't), with the increase in numbers of bikes on the road, they would need to provide an extra 170/year to meet the demand.

The very fact that bikes are being parked wherever there is space highlights that none of the 'new' 100 parks are where they are needed ie. in the CBD
Why would I ride past my place of work to go to the top of Willis street etc just to find an empty spot. The CBD is the location where they need to significantly increase the parking spaces.

I would also love to know where these private parking buildings are that cater for bikes.

Do what Auckland did 30 years ago:

park all motorcycles in full car park spaces sideways so no cars can fit in.
Do this en masse; those parking spaces are NOT "car parks" they are motor vehicle parks and bikes have the right to use them as do all other motorists.
You are usually city friendly by parking between cars at 90 degrees to the kerb; show Wellington City that you are pissed off; clog the cities parking spaces with bikes and show them your middle finger

[StoneY]

The following web pages have been updated:
http://www.wellington.govt.nz/servic...ing/index.html
http://www.wellington.govt.nz/servic.../onstreet.html

Thanks John

Here is one council official who took time to assist and WARN us as much as he could.

John has also made certain the BIKEOI gets council support (non politically just so the City runs as smooth as possible on the day)

There is no need for protest regards the parking, we have had John to liaise with from the moment they planned it and this is proving to actually work quite well so far

John your a credit to the council mate

[caseye]

I told you he was back!
Ideli is 100% right if they ain't going to play nice, then play outside the square, don't break the rules as such, but use your entitlement to the full and deny the cage drivers their usual free run, they'll soon start screaming at Council to get this mess sorted out.
no offence Jon but if it needs doing it needs doing now not in half a years time.

[Jon Visser]

if they ain't going to play nice, then play outside the square, don't break the rules as such, but use your entitlement to the full and deny the cage drivers their usual free run, they'll soon start screaming at Council to get this mess sorted out.

One could argue that it is the riders "not playing nice" (i.e. causing the problems on the footpath that I then need to deal with). Please be very clear that parking a motorcycle in a Pay and Display space in Wellington City is illegal under our Bylaw.

I have great respect for the organisers of the BIKOI, in that they are doing all they can to minimise negative impact on other road users. After all, it is public support you are seeking, not for the other road users (who outnumber riders substantially) to become so annoyed with riders that they press for even greater restrictions and enforcement.

Everyone has the right to peaceful protest, which means acting within the law. If the rights of others were abused by a protest action such as blocking all the car spaces (illegally), and all the car drivers complained to me to sort it out, I would have no compunction in ticketing or towing the lot in order to keep our city's transport network functioning effectively.

[Drogen Omen]

We could all quite easily stop riding and start driving our non eco friendly cars in to work everyday, I have 2 gas guzzling 4x4's at home that the wife and i could start driving into town and take up 2 car parks that some one else could have used if i could afford to register my bikes.

imagine if every biker switched to their car. what would happen to the traffic flow and parking...? there is already not enough parking in NZ city's.

all us bikers should be receiving a carbon credit that we can use to cancel out the ACC levies as we are all riding rain or shine doing our part for the environment. we take up lest parking space's, we use less petrol, we use less oil and expel a fraction of the exhaust fumes....

[marine0089]

I parked in Tory street to day in a pay and display in my carto go to Motorad.None of the machines and none of the signs indicated that a motorcycle could NOT park there.

Was that the warehouse/noel leeming parking space on tory?

I always park there when heading to motorad and only just last time realised that it is a pay and display Luckily I am usually there on weekends and haven't been caught yet.. Is a bit strange tho seeing as most of the parking lots are monitored like hawks.

[idleidolidyll]

One could argue that it is the riders "not playing nice" (i.e. causing the problems on the footpath that I then need to deal with). Please be very clear that parking a motorcycle in a Pay and Display space in Wellington City is illegal under our Bylaw.

Then Wton CC is anti bike and I have no respect for them. Please post a copy of that bylaw cause I won't believe it until I see it.
Also because that kind of discrimination MUST be challenged if the council doesn't provide adequate parking in convenient locales.

I have great respect for the organisers of the BIKOI, in that they are doing all they can to minimise negative impact on other road users. After all, it is public support you are seeking, not for the other road users (who outnumber riders substantially) to become so annoyed with riders that they press for even greater restrictions and enforcement.

You may have respect but non disruptive action has never worked for bikers in the past and I doubt we'll win anything but a slightly lower rate (which they would have planned anyway to make us feel like we 'won' something when all we are being is screwed over)

Everyone has the right to peaceful protest, which means acting within the law. If the rights of others were abused by a protest action such as blocking all the car spaces (illegally), and all the car drivers complained to me to sort it out, I would have no compunction in ticketing or towing the lot in order to keep our city's transport network functioning effectively.

Legal protest does not have to be peaceul and if it doesn't disrupt, the media will happily ignore it and so wiill all you politicos

[caseye]

Jon, neither Idleidolidyll nor myself have advocated doing anything illegal.

From Ideli,
"Do what Auckland did 30 years ago:
park all motorcycles in full car park spaces sideways so no cars can fit in.
Do this en masse; those parking spaces are NOT "car parks" they are motor vehicle parks and bikes have the right to use them as do all other motorists.
You are usually city friendly by parking between cars at 90 degrees to the kerb; show Wellington City that you are pissed off; clog the cities parking spaces with bikes and show them your middle finger"
From me.
Ideli is 100% right if they ain't going to play nice, then play outside the square, don't break the rules as such, but use your entitlement to the full and deny the cage drivers their usual free run, they'll soon start screaming at Council to get this mess sorted out.
no offence Jon but if it needs doing it needs doing now not in half a years time.
Please don't take my comments certainly, I won't speak for Ideli comments as advocating any more than using "our" entitlement to the full and making a very poignant point to other road users who for a change can't find a car park in Wellington city because "some" bikers have used up all the spaces, legally.

[BMWST?]

Was that the warehouse/noel leeming parking space on tory?

I always park there when heading to motorad and only just last time realised that it is a pay and display Luckily I am usually there on weekends and haven't been caught yet.. Is a bit strange tho seeing as most of the parking lots are monitored like hawks.

yep the spaces up round there...but the machines(if they are representative of pay and display machines) do not say anything about motorcycles NOT being able to park there.So if i got a ticket for parking there and my defense was there was no advice i could not park there..surely that is a defence.