Southland Times this morning (3 Nov), bike 'accident' pic

[brendonjw]

And why is that..??

Do you really need to ask or are you just living upto your forum name.

I cannot see how anyone can argue about this. The Road code is very clear about this, if you are waiting at a giveway sign you must wait until it is safe to continue, it doesnt mention anything about the speed the other traffic is going, its a very simple concept and if some people here cannot understand it then i hope i never meet you on the road.
Guess this just shows how effective or non effective all the TV adverts are, that advert with death and that spinning wheel about making bad decisions at intersection that been on for months obviously isnt sinking in.......

[dipshit]

I cannot see how anyone can argue about this. The Road code is very clear about this, if you are waiting at a giveway sign you must wait until it is safe to continue, it doesnt mention anything about the speed the other traffic is going,

So are you saying you should be able to do 200kph through the centre of town and people will giveway to you? If not, why?

[brendonjw]

So are you saying you should be able to do 200kph through the centre of town and people will giveway to you? If not, why?

I am saying that if someone is sitting at at giveway sign then they have give way, if i was stupidly doing 200kph then yes, they still need to give way (and i wouldnt expect to keep my license for very long either).... Its a very simple concept and one that i didn't think was this hard for people to grasp

[dipshit]

I am saying that if someone is sitting at at giveway sign then they have give way, if i was stupidly doing 200kph then yes, they still need to give way... ...Its a very simple concept and one that i didn't think was this hard for people to grasp

Then you are making the same mistake a lot of motorcyclists do. You are failing to see things from the other road user's prospective.

People look for distance and clear road they need to pull out in. If they see a bike way down the road - they will not give it a second thought and pull out. How were they to know it was doing 80 in a 50 zone?

If most traffic usually flows along at 60kph at a particular intersection, people will look for the suitable distance from oncoming traffic. If a bike comes along doing considerably more than that - a car is going to underestimate the distance/gap it needs.

[brendonjw]

Not true, i have only started riding bikes in the past 2 years where as i have been driving cars for the past 13, My car experience and opinions still override my bike opinions and if i was in my car (which i still have) doing the same thing i would still expect them to give way..... as they are legally required to....

[dipshit]

and if i was in my car (which i still have) doing the same thing i would still expect them to give way..... as they are legally required to....

Then you are an accident waiting to happen.

[Kiwi Graham:Me]

Then you are making the same mistake a lot of motorcyclists do. You are failing to see things from the other road user's prospective.

People look for distance and clear road they need to pull out in. If they see a bike way down the road - they will not give it a second thought and pull out. How were they to know it was doing 80 in a 50 zone?

If most traffic usually flows along at 60kph at a particular intersection, people will look for the suitable distance from oncoming traffic. If a bike comes along doing considerably more than that - a car is going to underestimate the distance/gap it needs.

I agree the driver at the intersection looking for gaps to pull into and sees one he will 'give it a go' (Que spinning wheel ad).
But it is ridiculous to suggest he wouldn't be at fault for misjudging approaching traffics speed regardles of it were a bike, car, ambulance, fire truck or police car.

Ride defensively with anticipation is the answer for the biker and education for the car drivers that bikes can be deceptive.

I dont want to break Katmans and Dipshits bubble here but cars have been known to pull out on each other as well as bikes at well below the speed limt not just above it. Just go and sit in Pak&Save's car park for ten mins and watch what goes on.

[98tls]

I guess thats what you get for livin in the deep souf.....redneck heaven!

Says someone from Otaki.

[brendonjw]

Not true, it is people who cant follow simple road code rules that are the cause of most of the accidents and the biggest dangers on our roads, and as i stated previously, if people at give way signs dont give way (and by giving way they obviously need to slow down enough/stop to judge the speed of oncoming traffic so we should never be in this situation to start with) they are going to cause accidents which are their fault...

[Katman]

and on that subject how about a cop standing by the door of the parked car saying " I'm giving you a ticket for carelessly opening a door" THAT was the real cause of this accident.

Well this just gets interestinger and interestinger.

Why was the bike travelling that close to parked traffic that an opening door would be a problem?

Filtering down the left hand side of moving traffic perhaps?

[98tls]

Any motorcyclist that goes about his business confident in the belief that he will live long and prosper because other road users will always do what the law requires needs to get off and into a cage.Quickly.

[JohnC]

Well, I was, when someone u-turned in front of me without looking or indicating. Why do you always assume the motorcyclist is the one at fault?

Why ??
Surely if he wasn't speeding and he had both eyes open at the time he wouldn't of hit the car.
Personaly I think he probably was speeding,because to asume anything else is to say he was just a crap rider and not riding fully aware,and that's even worse than saying he was speeding,,,so beliving he was speeding is really a compliment.

Hey, a person can only relate to their own expereinces right.
So I'm a very average rider and I've never hit a car in close to 40 years of riding,,so yes, I do tend to belive it's poorly skilled riders and speeding riders that hit cars,,,because good luck doesn't stretch 40 years.

As to someone U turning in front of you,,I bet they did look and I also bet they did see you,,,I also bet they thought they could make it,,,but were wrong.
What ever,,,,you should of known they would do it,,,not knowing is just an admission of fault,,,,come on man,how old are you and how long have you been doing this thing ?,,,,yeah,that long huh,,,and you still fucked up,,,man do a Defensive riding course before you kill yourself.
I'm not really making a personal attack on you even if it does seem that way,your comment just gave me the opertunity is all,,,but belive this, it is how I put it on myself.

[JohnC]

how does that work?? it your going straight and someone is at a giveway sign in a sidestreet you are approaching they have to give way to you, it doesnt matter what speed you are going (unless of course you a crawling along and they can safely get out before you reach it) And looking for a "sizeable gap relative to the typical flow of traffic for that bit of road" in a way is judging the speed of traffic.

And as for the lights/siren at least 7 out of every 10 rescue vehicle i see speeding do not have these on unless coming up to a intersection, the main excpetion to this seem to be fire engines. And having lived down the road from Middlemore hospital for a good 15 years i've seen a lot of cops and ambulances speed past..

I drive in Auckland 5-6 days a week,all day.
Every cop/ambulance/fireo I see does have it's lights ect going,,,so I think your making that one up as you go,,,and yeah I lived on Shirly rd for several years to.
And the speed your going is the most direct reason people pull out in front of you and fuck it up no matter how you try to twist it,,,,,people in cars judge their distances and reactions by what they are used to and what they get away with everyday,,a bike comes along at 10-20kms over,the car driver reacts the same way they usualy do and end up with a biker on the bonnet.
I get that same situation a dozen times a day,I recognise it and It doesn't bother me because I do recognise it,and I'm always ready for it.
The very few times I've got it wrong doesn't matter to me,,,if they want a 20 tonne truck on their bonnet instead of a biker,I'm cool with that,I got over giving a shit about what other people bring on themselves years ago.
Anyway,That's just the way it is and in rush hour traffic if you give way to everything,your not going anywhere and that is the reality of it.
The longer you use "but others should do" or "have to give way" as a reason for anything,the closer your going to be to being the biker on the bonnet,and if you don't know that,,,you are going to find out the hard way,,,I mean come on,you live in auckland,,what the fuck are you,,10 years old ?

BTW,I don't belive for a second your dumb enough to live in AK,be a rider,still be alive and not already know this,,so knock off the bullshit.

[Katman]

BTW,I don't belive for a second your dumb enough to live in AK,be a rider,still be alive and not already know this,,so knock off the bullshit.

Ummmm, he lists an S14 Silvia (whatever the fuck one of those is - but I do know it ain't a bike) as one of the bikes he owns. Don't give him too much credit.

[brendonjw]

I drive in Auckland 5-6 days a week,all day.
Every cop/ambulance/fireo I see does have it's lights ect going,,,so I think your making that one up as you go,,,and yeah I lived on Shirly rd for several years to.
And the speed your going is the most direct reason people pull out in front of you and fuck it up no matter how you try to twist it,,,,,people in cars judge their distances and reactions by what they are used to and what they get away with everyday,,a bike comes along at 10-20kms over,the car driver reacts the same way they usualy do and end up with a biker on the bonnet.
I get that same situation a dozen times a day,I recognise it and It doesn't bother me because I do recognise it,and I'm always ready for it.
The very few times I've got it wrong doesn't matter to me,,,if they want a 20 tonne truck on their bonnet instead of a biker,I'm cool with that,I got over giving a shit about what other people bring on themselves years ago.
Anyway,That's just the way it is and in rush hour traffic if you give way to everything,your not going anywhere and that is the reality of it.
The longer you use "but others should do" or "have to give way" as a reason for anything,the closer your going to be to being the biker on the bonnet,and if you don't know that,,,you are going to find out the hard way,,,I mean come on,you live in auckland,,what the fuck are you,,10 years old ?

BTW,I don't belive for a second your dumb enough to live in AK,be a rider,still be alive and not already know this,,so knock off the bullshit.

Well im not sure how long ago you lived on Shirley Rd but i moved out of there this year so have had some pretty recent experience watching them go up and down there as well as swaffield/coronation and untillthey either get to the shirley/coronation round about or hit the lights getting onto Gt south Rd i will stick to the 7 out of 10 figure from personal experience and observation.

I also have the fun of having to go into the city 5-6 days a week for work and of course im not stupid enough to beleive that everyone follows the road code but what im saying is they SHOULD and if the lady had given way as she was suposed to then we wouldnt be having this conversation in the first place.

http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/roadcode/abo...ain-types.html

And as to Katman - I never heard of a Katanasaurus Rex bike either, damn looks like google cant find it either.... guess their goes your credit as well..........