Christchurch bikers

**AD345** · 2nd November 2009, 19:06

Originally Posted by dangerous

L
..Yeah ya right about the reason for raising the levies it is wrong... but we as riders also have to look at our selves, we need to tidy our act up, dress code being one point.
..

Maybe, its certainly a discussion I'm prepared to have at another time and place

BUT

Its got nowt to do with ACC and the levys!

ACC is NOT about risk. INSURANCE is about risk - COMPENSATION is not.

We need to stop falling into this big goddamned hole that has been dug by this govt. AND the last one, about how ACC works.

The principles behind ACC are pretty simple - get injured, get fixed. There's no value judgement applied to the mechanism of injury (or at least there's not supposed to be) - ya just gets fixed.

End of.

Now - sure it would be appropriate for ACC to try to mitigate its potential liability by encouraging people to behave more safely, there's both a societal and financial benefit in that.

BUT - they (ACC) were not ever supposed to treat people differently because of the choices they made.

Thats the WHOLE reason we gave up the right to sue. Believe you me matey, that's no small thing to give up.

But we did.

Unfortunately, over the last 10 - 15 years (since fucking Rogernomics) successive govt.s have played and tweaked and generally fucked around with ACC and drawn it further and further from its original, simple, meaning.

National and ACT are now taking to the logical (in their minds) next step by trying to accelerate the transition from a compensation scheme to an insurance scheme. They didn't start the process but by God they want to finish it.

Don't make biker safety part of this battle - its the wrong approach and it WILL bite everyone on the arse.

**Footless** · 2nd November 2009, 21:23

Originally Posted by knuckles24

why ulysses in canterbury arn't doing anything about a protest ride here in Christchurch, i had e-mailed them asking for them to attend the one i organised but they wern't that keen, all i have heard is that there is a going to be a protest ride out to pegasus supposably but thats all i have heard, not sure who is doing it or if it is definite.

I believe ulysses cant are riding from Cashmere Club to The Square, major demonstration (sic) followed by tea and scones (sic)

**scumdog** · 3rd November 2009, 09:48

Originally Posted by dangerous

As far as my HD (and others) riders that wear open lids and fingerless gloves are more than welcom to in my books, but Ill be fucked if I should have to pay to fix them up when I corectly protect my self at my expence.
Only way around it is ya own personal ACC insurance... dont pay it dont get ya fingers stiched back on.

To extrapolate:

(heh-heh, couldn't resist!)

Then grey car owners should pay more in ACC since grey cars get hit more than orange ones by people who didn't see them 'cos grey blends in with the back-ground/road etc....

And my F100 should cost me bugger-all in ACC levy 'cos it's loud and brightly coloured and stands out really well.

**dangerous** · 3rd November 2009, 16:51

Originally Posted by scumdog

To extrapolate:

(heh-heh, couldn't resist!)

Then grey car owners should pay more in ACC since grey cars get hit more than orange ones by people who didn't see them 'cos grey blends in with the back-ground/road etc....

And my F100 should cost me bugger-all in ACC levy 'cos it's loud and brightly coloured and stands out really well.

no... dont get your point sorry?

**scumdog** · 3rd November 2009, 17:06

Originally Posted by dangerous

no... dont get your point sorry?

Just that some tend to think more at risk = pay more ACC.

**dangerous** · 3rd November 2009, 17:22

Originally Posted by scumdog

Just that some tend to think more at risk = pay more ACC.

well.. why not?
If you insure your truck for market value its proberly $200, but I reckon you have it insured for a good 10k, cos you expect more from your insurance... so if you expect more from your ACC because you choose to ride with ya wee pinkies poking out (all 9 of em) and I wear $340 gloves to protect my we darlings... why should I have to pay as much as you? I would have to hope the carbon fibre and skippys hide would save my skin were as your nakid didgets are history.

ps: I have no issues with those that wear fingerless glovs it is their choice.

**scumdog** · 3rd November 2009, 20:00

Originally Posted by dangerous

well.. why not?
If you insure your truck for market value its proberly $200, but I reckon you have it insured for a good 10k, cos you expect more from your insurance... so if you expect more from your ACC because you choose to ride with ya wee pinkies poking out (all 9 of em) and I wear $340 gloves to protect my we darlings... why should I have to pay as much as you? I would have to hope the carbon fibre and skippys hide would save my skin were as your nakid didgets are history.

ps: I have no issues with those that wear fingerless glovs it is their choice.

Where would it stop? - if I got a bike with ABS, wore full armour all the time etc would you expect me to get a discount on my ACC levy???

**dangerous** · 3rd November 2009, 20:32

Originally Posted by scumdog

Where would it stop? - if I got a bike with ABS, wore full armour all the time etc would you expect me to get a discount on my ACC levy???

yes you should...

**scumdog** · 3rd November 2009, 20:53

Originally Posted by dangerous

yes you should...

But that's not the way it works D.

After all, how do you figure it all out - I may ony do 500km a year in my pudding-bowl helmet and fingerless gloves on my plodding H-D (for example) and you might do 15,000km a year fully kitted up on your modified R1.

How do you figure out who should pay the most?

**TygerTung** · 3rd November 2009, 22:44

Who's going to wellington? I am, maybe there could be some kind of ACC protest convoy?

I have ordered a klingon protest high vis vest and flac and armband and 2 decal kits so I'll be all kitted up!

**Jantar** · 4th November 2009, 04:48

Originally Posted by TygerTung

Who's going to wellington? I am, maybe there could be some kind of ACC protest convoy?

I have ordered a klingon protest high vis vest and flac and armband and 2 decal kits so I'll be all kitted up!

The riders from Central and further south are meeting at the Shell Station Belfast at 08:00 on the 16th.

**imdying** · 4th November 2009, 14:01

Originally Posted by scumdog

After all, how do you figure it all out - I may ony do 500km a year in my pudding-bowl helmet and fingerless gloves on my plodding H-D (for example) and you might do 15,000km a year fully kitted up on your modified R1.

How do you figure out who should pay the most?

Those that do more miles pay a greater levy through the ACC tax collected via petrol.

He's talking about a discount on the base tax for those willing to take extra measures to protect themselves. Fine in concept, but wouldn't work as just because somebody has the gear (is it even their gear?) on the day of paying their tax, do they even use it? Same reason why the WOF system is retarded.