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    Question MotoGP Back To 1000cc From 2012

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    The 800cc formula is dead. MotoGP is set to return to 1000cc from 2012, according to a proposal submitted to the Grand Prix Commission at Valencia today. The 800cc bikes have received a deluge of criticism, almost from the moment they were introduced, and that deluge has finally buried them.

    The decision has hinged upon a change of mind by the MSMA, the manufacturers association. So far, the manufacturers have been opposed to any changes to the MotoGP formula, partly because high costs of entry created a barrier to new entrants in the class, allowing the existing participants to dominate the class. But the high costs have taken their toll even on the existing manufacturers, and with the future of Suzuki in the class in doubt under the current rules, and even doubt about just how long Honda was prepared to continue, a change was almost inevitable. 2012 is the earliest date it is possible to make the change, as the current 5 year contract that exists between Dorna, the FIM and the MSMA expires at the end of 2011. That contract states that no changes may be made to the engine capacity without a unanimous decision by all of the manufacturers in the MSMA.

    The initial proposal was to allow the use of production engines in prototype chassis, but the current proposal makes no mention of production engines at all. MotoMatters.com asked Herve Poncharal about the proposal, and asked whether this was to be production engines or not.

    "Nobody's talking about production engines," Poncharal told us. "The Grand Prix Commission is thinking about going back to 1000cc engines. This is more than supported by Dorna, more than supported by Dorna, but the first reaction to this by MSMA is very very positive." The MSMA's new position has been the key difference, Poncharal pointed out, and the Monster Tech 3 Yamaha boss was delighted at this change of heart. "I'm really happy, I'm very happy about that. It looks like there is a consensus, but we have to take it day-by-day."

    The fear is, of course, that a change in engine capacity would not be enough to cut costs, and merely create a new class of expensive prototypes. Poncharal said that this would not be allowed to happen: "The whole idea supported by everybody including the MSMA is to get the costs drastically down." Just how to ensure that is a different matter altogether, though. Poncharal admitted it would be difficult, but said that the Grand Prix Commission would not try to solve everything at once. Asked how to ensure that costs didn't once again spiral out of control, Poncharal replied "That's the next question. One day at a time!"

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    Hey, where'd that come from??

    As the new Moto2 class is set at 600cc, increasing the MotoGP limit to 1000cc would be proportionately realistic.
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    They better drop the traction control capability a few steps or they'll be doing 400km/hr a the end of the front straight at Misano.

    Looks like 125GP is going to be replaced by 450cc singles. I was hoping for 450cc triple with a higher weight limit. I reckon that would be cheaper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by James Deuce View Post
    They better drop the traction control capability a few steps or they'll be doing 400km/hr a the end of the front straight at Misano.

    Looks like 125GP is going to be replaced by 450cc singles. I was hoping for 450cc triple with a higher weight limit. I reckon that would be cheaper.
    I thought 125gp is remaining, and only 250 was to be replaced by moto 2?


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    Quote Originally Posted by James Deuce View Post
    Looks like 125GP is going to be replaced by 450cc singles. I was hoping for 450cc triple with a higher weight limit. I reckon that would be cheaper.
    I'd back the idea of the 450 singles, I think there would be more avenues for the manufacturers to shift the technology to existing platforms/models (MX, Enduros and Motards). If they were to go for 450 triples (which, incidentally, I think would make great road bikes for transitioning learners) then there are no current platfroms/models to leverage.

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    Would they run something similar to the GP2 type format for the thousands ya rekon ?.
    Maybe the field sizes in Superstock and Superbike have got em worried.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Deuce View Post
    They better drop the traction control capability a few steps or they'll be doing 400km/hr a the end of the front straight at Misano.

    Looks like 125GP is going to be replaced by 450cc singles. I was hoping for 450cc triple with a higher weight limit. I reckon that would be cheaper.
    There was a "Moto 1" formula devised to pad out the MotoGP field (or more likely, scare the crap out of IRTA).

    There is still a chance that the 125's will remain as direct injection two strokes (greener and more relevant than the current 125's).

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    Bring it on, I say. Over-powered bikes makes for good racing!!!
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    Shame we have to wait until 2012 .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by gav View Post
    Shame we have to wait until 2012 .....
    At least we'll get a year of racing in before the whole world turns to shit!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gav View Post
    Shame we have to wait until 2012 .....
    We will only have to wait until 2012 if there isnt a unanimous decision by all of the manufacturers in the MSMA.

    'Bring on' more power I say, seeing guys with this talent taming a 260+HP bike is going to make fukin good viewing!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toast View Post
    Bring it on, I say. Over-powered bikes makes for good racing!!!
    +1 here.

    450 singles ......... not sure about that, leave them to the dirt?

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    but the singles will be propuse built for raod racingandlong europeon circuits they probably said that back in the day about the original rs125 with cr125 engine leave it in the dirt now look were that engine is capable of over 200kph imiagine what a 450 single with a few years development would be like hopefully tho its not a one make engine provider allowing the likes of kawasaki aprillia ktm etc to get in there and gfive it a go at trying to design one
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