Is Rodney Hide really Rob Muldoon re-incarnated?

[idleidolidyll]

so all i'm doing in fact, is assigning a descriptive word to you based on the oxford and your posts

yes, there are shades of grey

[MisterD]

that's a modern manipulation of the meaning:

So you're all for modern definitions when it comes to the political compass, but you don't like it when it hurts your precious lefty credentials?

It's a true recognition of the fact that rather than being polar opposites Hitler and Stalin were pretty much the same thing approached from different directions...

[idleidolidyll]

oh dear, more non sequiters

i'm a liberal and by that definition, progressive and accepting, but that doesn't mean i accept propagandist manipulation of word definitions

please, refrain from straw men and other fallacy argument tactics

for those interested in spotting bullshit arguments:

one of the best sites on the internet: http://www.fallacyfiles.org/

[idleidolidyll]

it's a true recognition of the fact that rather than being polar opposites Hitler and Stalin were pretty much the same thing approached from different directions...

ROTFLMFAO!! a liberal you claim is authoritarian

you're a joke man!

[Robert Taylor]

Verbose with breathtaking arrogance. ''The ways and views of the left are the only correct way'' ( apparently )
In my world the most agreeable conservatives are those who embrace good change but are not predisposed to change for changes sake.
Must way to pursue more dirty filthy capitalist pursuits..............
Rattle on all you like Idioticlefty, it is your incessant and protracted ramblings that are a joke.

[Skyryder]

Verbose with breathtaking arrogance. ''The ways and views of the left are the only correct way'' ( apparently )
In my world the most agreeable conservatives are those who embrace good change but are not predisposed to change for changes sake.
Must way to pursue more dirty filthy capitalist pursuits..............
Rattle on all you like Idioticlefty, it is your incessant and protracted ramblings that are a joke.

The only joke at the moment is Key and his ministers + their two party partners.

'Black comedy' for want of a better description.


Skyryder

[98tls]

The only joke at the moment is Key and his ministers + their two party partners.

'Black comedy' for want of a better description.


Skyryder

You could be describing the Nth Isle from where i sit.

[Skyryder]

You could be describing the Nth Isle from where i sit.

Yea but David Carter lives down here. Now there's a comedian looking for a comedy writer if I ever saw one.

[MisterD]

oh dear, more non sequiters

i'm a liberal and by that definition, progressive and accepting, but that doesn't mean i accept propagandist manipulation of word definitions

please, refrain from straw men and other fallacy argument tactics

for those interested in spotting bullshit arguments:

one of the best sites on the internet: http://www.fallacyfiles.org/

Bull and shit.

Classical liberalism

You're the one with the propagandist word stealing. Progressive, change for the sake of change, social engineering...I'll let you keep that one.

[Skyryder]

Bull and shit.

Classical liberalism

You're the one with the propagandist word stealing. Progressive, change for the sake of change, social engineering...I'll let you keep that one.

As per usual you have no idea what your are on about.

Modern liberalism has it’s roots in the Age of Enlightenment. A term used to describe the western culture at a time in the 18 century where much change in the form of personal liberty was evolving from the Divine Right of Kings i.e. the American War of Independence. John Lock proposed it’s philosophical foundations in that he believed ‘no one ought to harm another in his life, health, liberty, or possessions.’ This was a political philosophy.

The libertarians have hijacked this and turned this into an economic theory in which they believe this to be true for themselves but not for those that come from a less endowed social position.


Skyryder

[spacemonkey]

sorry .. i dont know who Rob Muldoon was .. was he an arrogant fat loudmouth douchebag with the fashion sense of a blind downs syndrome sufferer?

No he was nothing like Glen Beck.

[Robert Taylor]

The only joke at the moment is Key and his ministers + their two party partners.

'Black comedy' for want of a better description.


Skyryder

AND JUST WHERE DID 9 YEARS OF LABOUR GET US, latterly in cohoots with the Watermelons? Dont get me started!

As for that foul mouthed racist and perks for the perkbuster yes I agree, but individual acts that deserve brutal retribution.

[spacemonkey]

You tell it like it is, but that last post about the rocky horror show, now that was just a little creepy....

Yeah but he was Perfect as the narrator!
I was gutted he wasn't on the night I went.

[Robert Taylor]

As per usual you have no idea what your are on about.

Modern liberalism has it’s roots in the Age of Enlightenment. A term used to describe the western culture at a time in the 18 century where much change in the form of personal liberty was evolving from the Divine Right of Kings i.e. the American War of Independence. John Lock proposed it’s philosophical foundations in that he believed ‘no one ought to harm another in his life, health, liberty, or possessions.’ This was a political philosophy.

The libertarians have hijacked this and turned this into an economic theory in which they believe this to be true for themselves but not for those that come from a less endowed social position.


Skyryder

Of course then by implication as a flag bearer of the left you have to come from a less endowed social postion to have any credibility.
Norman Kirk personified that and what a bloody disaster he was.

[MisterD]

Modern liberalism has it’s roots in the Age of Enlightenment. A term used to describe the western culture at a time in the 18 century where much change in the form of personal liberty was evolving from the Divine Right of Kings i.e. the American War of Independence. John Lock proposed it’s philosophical foundations in that he believed ‘no one ought to harm another in his life, health, liberty, or possessions.’ This was a political philosophy.

The libertarians have hijacked this and turned this into an economic theory in which they believe this to be true for themselves but not for those that come from a less endowed social position.

Oh come on, you can't separate "political" and "economic".

I'm sticking by my postion that to equate the term "liberal" with the kind of big-state social engineering that characterised the last decade in this country is stupid.

Also, while you're banging on about social position, I will make the point that a liberal wish for equality of opportunity doesn't have much to do with the socialist / progressive (yay for Jim's vanity party!) wish for equality of outcome (oh, and my own Grandfather's first job was shifting pit-props on Hull docks, so lay off with the working class hero stuff).