Screw peaceful non-disruptive protest: Let's Cause Mayhem!

[Squid69]

Yes, I'm prepared to give peace a chance and I'll watch the news and listen to the radio plus read what the hard workers from BRONZ, Ulysseus etc have to say here about progress after the Bikoi. The Bikoi is next week and I reckon a fair period of grace for news of solid progress is about one week. We could even start with riders going to the Burt Munroe rally (like me)

I reckon we should start preparing for maximum disruption within the law right now.
I really don't believe the politicians will play ball bar a small discount off the 300% rise.

So sign up here, post your willingness to participate in legal disruption and we can be ready when it is needed.

I reckon a txt style flash mob would work best; that way the law can't prepare themselves for it. If you want to register in any region as a rider ready to take real action in a disruptive manner, send me a pm and I'll start organising things.

Also needed will be volunteers in areas other than mine. Given the size of Auckland, I'll do the lower half only so we'll need a volunteer to help organise Nth Auck as well as from all other areas of NZ.

Constructive comments and suggestions on the best way to surprise, organise, grab media attention are welcome.

Any off topic or stupid posts using personal attacks will be reported immediately to the mods for action. This is about the next stage if non disruptive action does not make headway not about BRONZ, Ulysseus or any individual so don't post personal attacks.

Im keen for a riot!

the system

[Conquiztador]

I'm in.

But I am not so much in favour of disrupting Joe Citizen's life.

A few ideas from top of my head:

- A few bikers outside ACT/Maori Party/National MP's offices in their home towns with a BIG sign at the street saying something like:
"This is the office of Xxx Xxxxxx. Honk your horn if you agree that they are fucking up ACC". Does not matter if he/she is not there. It will affect their staff.

- Be at every public appearance the MP has in his/her electorate giving out information re what he/she is doing to ACC. Have a handful of bikers there in their gear.

- Be at every get-to-gether that these parties hold. Have a big bunch of bikers outside for the whole meeting. (They all have webpages and it is not tricky to suss out when and where they are gathering)

- Follow the MP's car by bike. Have someone on a bike there all the time.

- At every bike meet/race meet/rally/Toy run etc. talk over the PA system for a minute or so. Tell everyone NOT to vote for the parties that are screwing up ACC.

- Keep on sending letters to the editors of local newspapers with different angles on the issue. Get them publicised in the "Letters to the Editor" section.

- A daily presence outside parlament of a doz or so bikers. Just to make them know that we are there...

I do like the idea of taking the parking spots and having a sign on each bike stating that if they price the bikes out, then we will drive cars and we will need these parking spots. Imagine doing that in some of the parking houses/lots and filling them with bikes...

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[apes]

i agree with your sentiments bro but to start off with it's got to be legal disruption, like mass slow rides on main motorways in the rush hour, one city per day, and a mass ride past government on a day some major bill is being discussed, something that generally inconvieniances everyone is well advertised before hand so those in the tin can and those driving trucks realise these levies could hit them next. You let BRONZ talk the rhetoric and keep this up until the politicians start listening to you and they will if you start effecting the economy on a weekly basis. Whereas if you are just out to stick up 2 fingers to them they'll just swat you like a fly. The important thing is you need to make the public know why you're pissing them off so then they and the press know to point the finger at the politicians and not the bikers.

[CookMySock]

Doesn't ACC usually have large parking buildings? A pack of ten or twenty noisy vtwins or inline fours will fucking devastating inside there.

Why not ride around inside the parking buildings while while staff are coming or going from work? Don't do anything intimidating - you won't need to. Just ride your noisy intimidating bike around and don't eye contact anyone - nothing illegal about that.

edit: They will call the cops before we can leave the building for sure, so make real sure you are squeaky clean. It will fuck the cops off too, coz it will take them an hour to check 20 bikes + bikers over, only to discover theres nothing they can zap them for. Suggest we take some lawyer-type with the group, as he can advise us legally when stopped by the fuzz - that will eff them off even more.

Steve

[CookMySock]

Do larger ACC offices have a cafeteria that is open to the public? Why not drop in for lunch about 20 mins before their lunch time, and buy all their pies and quiches. I don't normally go for quiche, but I'd make an exception in this case.

Theres got to be loads more disruptive shit we can do that's 100% legal.

Steve

[bogan]

I'm in.

But I am not so much in favour of disrupting Joe Citizen's life.

A few ideas from top of my head:

- A few bikers outside ACT/Maori Party/National MP's offices in their home towns with a BIG sign at the street saying something like:
"This is the office of Xxx Xxxxxx. Honk your horn if you agree that they are fucking up ACC". Does not matter if he/she is not there. It will affect their staff.

- Be at every public appearance the MP has in his/her electorate giving out information re what he/she is doing to ACC. Have a handful of bikers there in their gear.

- Be at every get-to-gether that these parties hold. Have a big bunch of bikers outside for the whole meeting. (They all have webpages and it is not tricky to suss out when and where they are gathering)

- Follow the MP's car by bike. Have someone on a bike there all the time.

- At every bike meet/race meet/rally/Toy run etc. talk over the PA system for a minute or so. Tell everyone NOT to vote for the parties that are screwing up ACC.

- Keep on sending letters to the editors of local newspapers with different angles on the issue. Get them publicised in the "Letters to the Editor" section.

- A daily presence outside parlament of a doz or so bikers. Just to make them know that we are there...

I do like the idea of taking the parking spots and having a sign on each bike stating that if they price the bikes out, then we will drive cars and we will need these parking spots. Imagine doing that in some of the parking houses/lots and filling them with bikes...

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all excellent ideas, specially like the honk outside MP offices, and if its a slow day the protester biker could also get on the horn a bit!

[Kiwi Graham:Me]

How about checking John Keys movements, meeting him and giving him 'outriders' to his destinations. Wherever he goes the media follows!

[CookMySock]

How about checking John Keys movements, meeting him and giving him 'outriders' to his destinations. Wherever he goes the media follows!

On the face of it, not an illegal activity, but remind yourself this is the prime minister, and my guess is people in black vans will take issue with you. Would be fun to try once perhaps, but I think you would be accosted and questioned. Might be different if it was Nick Smith.

edit: you might position a bunch of bikers outside the exit gates and all waggle a finger at him.

Steve

[Sidewinder]

fucking aye bro im so keen with this idea! was thinking about doing a burn out with a pocket bike on the roof of acc in te rapa hamilton, but my work lader wasnt big enough lol

[idleidolidyll]

I'm in.

But I am not so much in favour of disrupting Joe Citizen's life.

A few ideas from top of my head:

- A few bikers outside ACT/Maori Party/National MP's offices in their home towns with a BIG sign at the street saying something like:
"This is the office of Xxx Xxxxxx. Honk your horn if you agree that they are fucking up ACC". Does not matter if he/she is not there. It will affect their staff.

- Be at every public appearance the MP has in his/her electorate giving out information re what he/she is doing to ACC. Have a handful of bikers there in their gear.

- Be at every get-to-gether that these parties hold. Have a big bunch of bikers outside for the whole meeting. (They all have webpages and it is not tricky to suss out when and where they are gathering)

- Follow the MP's car by bike. Have someone on a bike there all the time.

- At every bike meet/race meet/rally/Toy run etc. talk over the PA system for a minute or so. Tell everyone NOT to vote for the parties that are screwing up ACC.

- Keep on sending letters to the editors of local newspapers with different angles on the issue. Get them publicised in the "Letters to the Editor" section.

- A daily presence outside parlament of a doz or so bikers. Just to make them know that we are there...

I do like the idea of taking the parking spots and having a sign on each bike stating that if they price the bikes out, then we will drive cars and we will need these parking spots. Imagine doing that in some of the parking houses/lots and filling them with bikes...

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Some good ideas in there; targetting politicians directly is worthwhile: I'll get a list of their office addresses and link it here.

[idleidolidyll]

i agree with your sentiments bro but to start off with it's got to be legal disruption, like mass slow rides on main motorways in the rush hour, one city per day, and a mass ride past government on a day some major bill is being discussed, something that generally inconvieniances everyone is well advertised before hand so those in the tin can and those driving trucks realise these levies could hit them next. You let BRONZ talk the rhetoric and keep this up until the politicians start listening to you and they will if you start effecting the economy on a weekly basis. Whereas if you are just out to stick up 2 fingers to them they'll just swat you like a fly. The important thing is you need to make the public know why you're pissing them off so then they and the press know to point the finger at the politicians and not the bikers.

Yes, that's the idea: cause a bit or a lot of mahem and for the most part, let the moderates do the talking

Mind you, as I've said before, some of the BRONZ message is wrong; more focus on the fact that this is National ACT policy not ACC initiated etc

Given the slightly different message; we may need to talk directly to media but wld refrain from too much of that

[idleidolidyll]

Doesn't ACC usually have large parking buildings? A pack of ten or twenty noisy vtwins or inline fours will fucking devastating inside there.

Why not ride around inside the parking buildings while while staff are coming or going from work? Don't do anything intimidating - you won't need to. Just ride your noisy intimidating bike around and don't eye contact anyone - nothing illegal about that.

My Akra fitted KTM motard sets off every car alarm in a parking building: good idea

edit: They will call the cops before we can leave the building for sure, so make real sure you are squeaky clean. It will fuck the cops off too, coz it will take them an hour to check 20 bikes + bikers over, only to discover theres nothing they can zap them for. Suggest we take some lawyer-type with the group, as he can advise us legally when stopped by the fuzz - that will eff them off even more.

Steve

I wonder if there is some kind of trespass order they can serve? No matter, they would probably only be able to issue a warning

[Pixie]

This actually ISN'T about Govt wanting to take bikes off the road:

Actually,I believe there is a component wishing to see fewer bikes.

We are a problem for ACC,both in costs and in making ACC attractive to potential buyers.

The Road Toll Fanatics would like to see us go away-they aren't going to achieve the "zero road toll by 2020" target with us around.They may legislate for all cars to be robotic,but no manufacturer is working on robotic bikes.
With no bikes around they can continue to build cheap,unsafe roads.

[idleidolidyll]

Actually,I believe there is a component wishing to see fewer bikes.

We are a problem for ACC,both in costs and in making ACC attractive to potential buyers.

The Road Toll Fanatics would like to see us go away-they aren't going to achieve the "zero road toll by 2020" target with us around.They may legislate for all cars to be robotic,but no manufacturer is working on robotic bikes.
With no bikes around they can continue to build cheap,unsafe roads.

It's true that National has always been pretty much anti bike. However, as you note here, that motivation is driven by money and ignorance. However, the roads are easily as unsafe for bicycles as they are for motorbikes and eliminating cycles is impossible.

NZ roads are oh so obviously designed ONLY for cars and trucks and if they ever think of us, it is to think of ways to get rid of us.

I'll summarise the thread and ideas perhaps tomorrow so we can all see the ideas and key comments in one post

[CookMySock]

I wonder if there is some kind of trespass order they can serve? No matter, they would probably only be able to issue a warning

Well this is why we take a legal-type person with us.

My understanding is its a public place, and while its a public place trespass orders cannot be issued. In any case it does not matter, since they cannot detain you for any more time than it takes to positively identify you from your drivers license and they must either release you or arrest you, and then they are welcome to go back to their office and on their own time do any paperwork they think they can make stick in court. We could easily be back there two or three times before they get an order prepared.

Of course, "my understanding" is little or no use to the group doing it, who will need proper legal support.

Steve