White Ribbon Ride with the Super Māori Fullas 25th Nov onwards

[Wasp27]

The thing I get really pissed off with family violence and crap is that it is NOT acceptable for guys to bash(not slap)kids or anybody,but if woman do it it seems to be ok.The excuse is the kid or man deserved it.

And if grandad did bash the family,and dad did the same the kids will do so,to me this is rubbish,my case and point is my grandad was severely disciplined as a kid(pre natal depression for his mum is todays term,hot water poured on him,religiously beaten)when his own kids(my dad)needed a bit of discipline they would go to their dad,who would whack a leather strap on the bench,tell the kid to rub their hand and say sorry to mum.So therefore my dad and so on should all be beaters etc.

Big ups to your Grandad YS.... it takes a big man or woman to break the cycle.... the White Ribbon campaign has a very strong message and indeed provides Love and Support. After all.... there is no excuse.
Cheers W

[chanceyy]

The thing I get really pissed off with family violence and crap is that it is NOT acceptable for guys to bash(not slap)kids or anybody,but if woman do it it seems to be ok.The excuse is the kid or man deserved it.

totally agree with that one Tony .. the message should be domestic violence is not ok period regardless of who is doing it .. I know of cases where the woman are just as bad if not worse than the men .. both in violence, and verbal abuse ..

unfortunately ppl just do not see woman as the abuser

[Highlander]

Well that really sucks.
I went for a ride on Thursday too, if I'd read this earlier I would have met up with and ridden with them for a bit.

[ynot slow]

totally agree with that one Tony .. the message should be domestic violence is not ok period regardless of who is doing it .. I know of cases where the woman are just as bad if not worse than the men .. both in violence, and verbal abuse ..

unfortunately ppl just do not see woman as the abuser

True,a great friend of ours was part of an abusive family,he was 13 or so when he stood upto his dad slapping his mum,his folks seperated shortly,and out of spite he took his new step dads surname,and did so for 10years,then he changed to his dads name out of respect to his grandmother.He gets on well with his dad as people do in late 30-early 40's,and he hasn't needed to beat his ex wife (she even cheated on him,and he did say she could've easily been beaten by him,but the thought of his dad sickened him)she would whack him to bait him etc,all he did was walk away laughing,then laughed when he walked out the door permanently.

[chanceyy]

True,a great friend of ours was part of an abusive family,he was 13 or so when he stood upto his dad slapping his mum,his folks seperated shortly,and out of spite he took his new step dads surname,and did so for 10years,then he changed to his dads name out of respect to his grandmother.He gets on well with his dad as people do in late 30-early 40's,and he hasn't needed to beat his ex wife (she even cheated on him,and he did say she could've easily been beaten by him,but the thought of his dad sickened him)she would whack him to bait him etc,all he did was walk away laughing,then laughed when he walked out the door permanently.

Big ups to him for breaking the cycle.

Your right some woman tend to bait & provoke until they get a reaction, and of course not in every case as there are plenty of woman who walk on eggshells trying not to provoke the anger & rage.

Its important to get the message out there that any form of abuse regardless of WHO is doing it .. its NOT ok that message needs to be delivered to men woman and children .. bullying has increased in an alarming rate

[tegelnz]

Well the ride has finished but the memories will last a lifetime.

Started in Wellington with the rest of my fellow Patriots and met Sarah the vet (yes I admit your Daytona was the fastest in our group), rode as road captain for the North Wind which joined the South wind and rode as one group for most of the way until splitting at Taupo. Then up to Hamilton and finally Ruakaka for the Bream Bay ride.

Left there today and rode as far as Taupo we're I'm catching up with the olds and writing this. Returning tomorrow to Palmy.

My bum is slightly sore but it was worth fanging my Kawasaki Ninja EX250 up the north island for such a great cause.

Met heaps of great people including Sarah the vet, Cheryl from Invercargill and many others.

Look forward to next years ride. By then I will have upgraded to a ZX10 and give Sarah a run for her money lol.

Laters

Nixy

[Horse]

there are plenty of woman who walk on eggshells trying not to provoke the anger & rage.

Bottom line - the men with the anger problem need to get help.

It was an honour riding with you and your fellow patriots Nixy, and everyone else who came along on the ride. It was truly inspirational hearing the stories from men who'd been physically or psychologically abusive to their partners or families, but had the courage to change their own lives, take responsibility for their actions, and get help.

[chanceyy]

Bottom line - the men with the anger problem need to get help.

bottom line is actually Men Woman and Children who have anger problems all need help .. lets not just point the finger at men only aye

[Horse]

bottom line is actually Men Woman and Children who have anger problems all need help .. lets not just point the finger at men only aye

No, that's bullshit.

Yes, there are women that abuse men, but it's such a tiny proportion of the stats that it's barely worth mentioning. In my experience, the only people who keep bringing up "but women do it too" are apologists for male violence who are trying to divert attention away from the real problem.

Men who get help for their problems are good bastards. The ones who don't, who lie and equivocate, are something else entirely.

[chanceyy]

No, that's bullshit.

Yes, there are women that abuse men, but it's such a tiny proportion of the stats that it's barely worth mentioning. In my experience, the only people who keep bringing up "but women do it too" are apologists for male violence who are trying to divert attention away from the real problem.

Men who get help for their problems are good bastards. The ones who don't, who lie and equivocate, are something else entirely.

no its called burying your head in the sand

how many ppl of both sexes & ages have been in court over the last yr tried for murder, attempted murder etc, assaults, how many woman and men have been guilty of harming their kids, and how many kids have committed suicide due to bullying of one form or another ??

and your experience is sadly misconstrued if you think its a male only issue

I am diverting nothing, just stating a clear fact domestic violence is not ok regardless of who is doing it - its been a growing epidemic for quite a number of yrs, the reality is its been hidden behind close doors for yrs, and still is

any person who gets help & reforms their life good on them, those who pretend are just lying to themselves & their loved ones ..

[Conquiztador]

Ther Super Maori Fullas are good bastards. I got them to HB for a 3 day visit earlier in the year and sorted their itinerary. We went to shools and organisations. The Fullas are normal guys that decided to take this up on to them self. They took holidays from their jobs and travelled the country to spread the message against Family Violence. Now the Families Commission is onboard and provide some funding.

The look on the school kids faces when these shaven headed bikers in black leathers and Harleys outside started talking about love and caring was priceless. I'll support them anytime!

[chanceyy]

Ther Super Maori Fullas are good bastards. I'll support them anytime!

Most certainly & most definiately, getting the message out in the open has to be a good thing

[Horse]

The Super Maori Fullas are good bastards.

Yes indeed.

Maori TV ran a story on the Bream Bay Ride on Saturday's news. It's the 2nd story, starts at 3:54.

[Horse]

the reality is its been hidden behind close doors for yrs, and still is

I couldn't agree more.

[Ms Piggy]

bottom line is actually Men Woman and Children who have anger problems all need help .. lets not just point the finger at men only aye

Can't agree with ya on this one Chanceyy. Statistically men are perpetrators of violence towards their partners/wives and children a lot more. It's an issue that needs to be talked about.

Let's talk about it and make people aware of it. Yes uncontrolled anger in any of us is not okay but there is a serious issue in New Zealand that needs to be talked about out in the open.

I can't locate the stats but there are women and children being killed in NZ as a direct result of family violence, it's an issue that needs to be out in the open so men know it's unacceptable and women know they can get help.