The bigger picture.

[oldrider]

If we continue to ignore the negative aspects that many riders bring to Motorcycling they will continue to drag us further down.

I have too high a regard for Motorcycling to feebly sit back and let that happen.

Likewise, I have too high a regard for Katman than to sit back and watch him foolishly self destruct!

Would you risk your "entire motorcycle" by recklessly trying to squeeze the absolute last inth of wear out of your tyres? (false economy)

That's what you are doing to "Katman" by obsessively pursuing perfection from people that you can not control or influence!

You have turned "Katman the careing" into a boring "Zealot" that the readers you try to reach simply ignore!

It's like trying to teach pigs to fly!

The pig's are never ever going to fly and all you will ever achieve is to piss all the pigs off!

You may have become a reflection of that which you despise!

There is nothing more can be said about this really!

[Katman]

That's what you are doing to "Katman" by obsessively pursuing perfection from people that you can not control or influence!

Care to point out where I've ever asked for perfection?

Fuck - I'd be happy with just an improvement!

[Viscount Montgomery]

Yippee! It's all been sorted and it's all OK now. The poisonous bung-eyed dwarf Smith will only enforce a $224.12 increase to all the lucky 600cc riders, down from earlier proposals of $258.74. HeHe, Nick must have been just jiving the first time. A bit of light-hearted political jesting is a bit naughty, but hey you can't complain now. This reduction shows that he really is a genuine nice guy. Thanks Nick.


The news is just as good for the over 600cc crowd too, Nick has adjusted the earlier proposals of $493.00 down to a paltry $445.92. Now that really is a fantastic result! I'd like to take this opportunity to thank Nick and all the naughty mischievous squids out there, who with all their amusing hi-jinks over the last few years nearly had us all in trouble for a while.

It hasn't turned out too bad at all. Keep up the public-road racing and hooning guys, this result shows you weren't in the wrong after all. My apologies. Thanks again and merry christmas.

[snuffles]

I for one agree, whilst we can all sit here and bitch about ACC hikes, we also have to remember that we are not the kings of the road and many of us, have made and will continue to make poor choices in , gear, speed , conditions, riding ability.
I am not happy about the increse in costs , but do understand them. If we as a collective started to think defensively( riding wise) , we may be able to change the trend. But alas, i think it will never happen

[MSTRS:Me]

I for one agree, whilst we can all sit here and bitch about ACC hikes, we also have to remember that we are not the kings of the road and many of us, have made and will continue to make poor choices in , gear, speed , conditions, riding ability.
I am not happy about the increse in costs , but do understand them. If we as a collective started to think defensively( riding wise) , we may be able to change the trend. But alas, i think it will never happen

Spent your 30 pieces yet?

Motorcyclists as a group are not to blame. It is a relative few that have supposedly dragged us to this point.
If all the law abiding car drivers were told they had to pay more because of those that didn't wear seltbelts etc, what do you think they'd have to say about that?

[Katman]

Spent your 3 pieces yet?

What the fuck is wrong with you?

You're implying someone's a Judas because they don't agree with your line of thinking?

And you have the nerve to suggest I'm sanctimonious?

(And it was 30 pieces btw).

[MSTRS:Me]

What the fuck is wrong with you?
You're implying someones a Judas because they don't agree with your line of thinking?

Not at all. Just pointing out the fallacy that collectively we are the agents of our misfortune. And 'understanding' the increases is the first step onto the slippery slope of accepting those increases.

(And it was 30 pieces btw).

Whoops. Fixed.

[Katman]

Not at all. Just pointing out the fallacy that collectively we are the agents of our misfortune. And 'understanding' the increases is the first step onto the slippery slope of accepting those increases.

No, a minority of dickheads are the agents of our misfortune.

Collectively we are guilty of complacency.

[MSTRS:Me]

No, a minority of dickheads are the agents of our misfortune.

Collectively we are guilty of complacency.

Glad you said that.

So we AREN'T better than car drivers? Damn...

[gwigs]

There will always be a percentage of motorcyclists(on and off road),car drivers,truck drivers,cyclists,scuba divers,fishermen..the list goes on and on,who will take risks and behave irresponsibly... You wont change that.
Are we all to be collectively responsible for everybody ?

[MSTRS:Me]

Are we all to be collectively responsible for everybody ?

Of course not. That'd be inequitable. It'll just be those in your currently targeted risk-group.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...0&postcount=13

[Katman]

Are we all to be collectively responsible for everybody ?

Maybe not, but if we collectively condemned irresponsible behaviour instead of saying "Cool video man" or just silently tut tutting to ourselves then maybe we'd see a reduction in the number of accidents due to nothing other than stupidity.

After all, drink driving has become socially unacceptable due largely to peer pressure.

[Maha]

Maybe not, but if we collectively condemned irresponsible behaviour instead of saying "Cool video man" or just silently tut tutting to ourselves then maybe we'd see a reduction in the number of accidents due to nothing other than stupidity.

After all, drink driving has become social unacceptable due largely to peer pressure.

I pointed out (after viewing a video of the Coro Loop) that one particular bike passing car bit, that that was fuckin unbeleivable. Passing on a tight left hander and there was a car in his lane. Yes he made it round, but the first bike that passed binned on the very next corner, thanks for the evidence Ducati_Hard.

[StoneY]

After all, drink driving has become social unacceptable due largely to peer pressure.

And thats why the Police are reporting the highest drink driving conviction takes in a decade.... massive rise in last 24 months

Its all good for a period, then old habits return
Peer pressure isnt enough

Start really hurting them, take the vehicles, take the licenses, jail for disqualified driving etc.....

Bah, I dont have the answer, dunno if anyone has, bloody Kiwi's are just bad drivers (me included despite my past years in trucks etc)

[sinfull]

But wasn't the protest ride a hoot ? I for one have never passed so many bikes in my life !