All pretty good comments, and seems like lots of people have learned the same lessons I am getting (or have learnt the hard way)
I do like
- the adventure/trail side of things
- cheap

- An experience compatible with the odd "senior moment"
- The occasional (or more) ride with my wife and kids
I do not like
- Wearing knobblys out on the way to a distant ride
- Trail terrorists
- Broken bones
- Macho bullshit and one-up-man-ship (is that a word?)
To date by far the majority of riding has been on my own, (means I can be stupid when I feel like it

) but group rides are good when they meet these criteria. In the last 20 odd years this has only occured, on the occasional ride I have been on, that has been organised here.
This leads me here in what little spare time I have. Other may have different criteria, but I suspect there is a little common ground here for some.
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