I've just checked my ACC levy from 2007 (couldn't find an older one): $166.50 for a 250cc. No matter how the government puts it, I don't see how such a steep increase in less than 3 years is in any way justified!
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I've just checked my ACC levy from 2007 (couldn't find an older one): $166.50 for a 250cc. No matter how the government puts it, I don't see how such a steep increase in less than 3 years is in any way justified!
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but right now we can work the angle; us bikers protested and got the whole ACC proposal re-thunked, 50% worker levy is down to 15% (ish), Joe Public you're welcome! If you would just listen to us bikers we can also take ACC back to the way it should have always been.Originally Posted by PhantasmNZ
This was the first battle, and it was a draw at best Uylesses guy seems to think the war is over and we won, Bullshit its over, and we haven't won yet! Unless we want to continue having these battles, and these draws ($100 increases) we must put ACC right. Who's Next? ACC is next
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Fucked if I have JD
I am NOT rolling over, I am continuing to fight
I dont care who takes offense to my stand either, I have NO interest in roilling over and being raped
This is NOT acceptable, we all know why I aint gonna go over it again (theres 400+posts already that state why)
Les, respect due where it is but this is time to declare fuckin WAR not play reasonable man, they wont listen...time to MAKE them listen
Just ride.
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I disagree, the nats have always been the target. Their agenda to fully fund and then privatise ACC caused the issue. We actually have an opportunity to gain additional public support by highlighting the fact the nats are dramaticaly increasing taxes when they won on promised cuts. .. (EDIT: and thankgs Bogan - yes you are right we are due some credit)
Did you Bikoi? Did you wear the T-shirt, or the Vest, that a Nat logo down there by the ACC logo. It was and always will be a political fight...
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Yes yes yes... You are right... ACC is our real target and Smith.. hes a puppet. However remember the weakest link theorybut right now we can work the angle; us bikers protested and got the whole ACC proposal re-thunked, 50% worker levy is down to 15% (ish), Joe Public you're welcome! If you would just listen to us bikers we can also take ACC back to the way it should have always been.
This was the first battle, and it was a draw at best Uylesses guy seems to think the war is over and we won, Bullshit its over, and we haven't won yet! Unless we want to continue having these battles, and these draws ($100 increases) we must put ACC right. Who's Next? ACC is next
Peter
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If we were to take advantage of the general public annoyance over their increases (and potential relief that it wasn't bigger - IF they even noticed it might have been) - then the time is now - any good ideas how to capitalise on this?
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Read the post "with no political nous" Fight but be smart
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though it's hard to be apolitical when you're fighting the politicians !!
Problem is... as much of a statesman as les may be - without the thousands of bikers rallying with 99% no political nouse (but a great "bullshit" cry) - Les doesn't get a voice, no airtime, no column inches, nothing...
We;ll never win against the spin doctors - Peter Mac makes sure that we can't even win amongst ourselves - but so far, sheer numbers have got us through - best part of 10k people that I saw on Parliaments front lawn didn't seem to have much political nous either - but they did have a common enemy.
I agree though - we need to be smart - but smart alone won't get us anywhere...
Down with bouncing!
news on the rock radio station was how motorcycle levies have been reduced and car owners will make up the difference with a rise. I couldnt believe what I was hearing.. Anyone listen to the rock? Damn shocking reporting.
I think they are getting joe public ready for a biker backlash. And concidering I have 2 cars and 1 bike that makes me 2/3rds car driver so not sure which side of the fence I should sit on.
Its bullshit. it really is. I encourage any and all disruptive protests from this point on and will be disappointed to see no arrests in the process. We were asked to ride to parliment nicely... we did. We were asked to listen.. we did. We were asked to enter a peaceful protest.. we did.
Now its time to make an impact.
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agreed here
The principles of ACC are no fault no blame etc ( try to eat and type so excuse me !)
They are setting it up for privatization to sell off .... we can afford it and we don't need it to go fully funded by 2012 or whenever ( that is an IMF / business round table suggestion)
So the only answer is
thank you Dick wacker and we the motorcyclist are happy that our voice was heard
but in the spirit in which ACC was set up ( to rehabilitate the young lads who fought in the trenches and were wounded ) I cannot accept the governments proposals ( its the least i can do for what they did for me
Sorry Slick Smith but NO
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Oh and the prisions are up for privatization ,,,, all good in national land I see!!
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What a crock of shit, we did fuck all. I, and I am sure a number of others here knew from the start that the plan has been to hit with the high numbers to allow the lesser numbers to look...well....lesser.
As far as battles go we've so far been led to the field. Yes I believe more cunning action is required and sounds like its under way...but I also believe in pincer movements and distraction...and that 10 thousand bikers should take a couple of hours to ride down Lambton Quay and park AT the steps of Parliament.
If you want to make Joe Public aware that we are also fighting for them we need to make even more a point of it with the press when they come out for the next protest.
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At work today folks, smile gently and remind people that the worker's levy went up 15% instead of 50%. Les saved employers 1000s of dollars yesterday.
I'll be reminding people that I'm subsidising my own bike by owning a car, so maybe the non-motorcyclists need to buy a motorcycle to take advantage of that subsidy option.
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what we actually 'did' is irrelevant and impossible to know, what we can say we did and get public support is very relevant however!
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I think you are spot on. I walked into work with my 'who's next' T shirt on and all I got was a 'good on ya, you don't need the T shirt any more'........
To now, Mr and Mrs Public have been sympathetic about ridiculous hikes that nobody in their right mind could accept without making some form of sacrifice. Today the country learned we can afford these new proposals, and as soon as this happened 80% of NZ just concluded the bikers have won $500 down to $175 - good on ya guys, well done for a good protest.
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