Separate Maori welfare funding

[avgas]

Geez, the more i read here the more alarmed I become. WTF, is happening to New Zealand.

We are a country of individuals.
You can never change the world, only yourself.
Look at those that had access to the system, ignored it, and moved on. They are now better off for it. It is unfortunate that there are those who feel that people have been mistreated. However do not get confused - the people out there fighting for this are not black, they are white.
Name the last Maori person who fought for such matters and succeeded. There is a white persons agenda here, I just don't know what it is yet.
National to get Maori vote?

[scumdog]

We still have Maori here?

Yes.
But not complete ones.
But apparently the white/yellow/whatever component doesn't count.

[wbks]

National to get Maori vote?

Tino Rangatinotanga flag flying next to the NZ flag/refusal to show any disapproval over the Maori party when their MP's play up, and now this... What other agenda?

[Mr Merde]

Tino Rangatinotanga flag flying next to the NZ flag/refusal to show any disapproval over the Maori party when their MP's play up, and now this... What other agenda?

What sort of fuss if someone posted a video on youtube of this flag being blasted with a shotgun, spat on and burnt?

Any volunteers?

[wbks]

What sort of fuss if someone posted a video on youtube of this flag being blasted with a shotgun, spat on and burnt?

Any volunteers?

Ask in the Road Knights thread
Seriously, though, I wouldn't be surprised if some National Front types did just that on Waitangi day, I'm not sure if it'll end up on video, though. What was the original message behind defiling the flag?

[avgas]

Yes.
But not complete ones.
But apparently the white/yellow/whatever component doesn't count.

Lol
"Here is my son Tahi, he's a Maori cross, makes him a good fighter"

[ManDownUnder]

Maybe that would be better than the lame treaty we have, but I can't shake images of people in 50 years time screaming for the same treatment with the "its un constitutional" line. Whats to say the dickheads/politicians that would make this constitution wouldn't make the same mistakes?

They are functionally different documents.

A treaty is an agreement by which parties formalise the terms of... let's say ... living together. Sadly the ToW is fundamentally flawed in as far as the English copy don't mean the same ans the Maori copy. Therefore we actually have TWO contracts... formalising areas where we disagree on how we will live together.

GREAT for lawyers to use for revenue generating purposes and the aggreived party to come back to the state tit when they need to.

A constitution is a set of rules for governing a country.

I prefer the latter if we're going to use a document as the basis for... let's just say... governing a country

[MSTRS:Me]

...anyone consider the question it might actually work?

... just chucking it out there. I love the kiwi "IT'LL FAIL!" before it's tried approach. So reliable... and so uplifting now it's Christmas.

Going on past performance, what makes you think that any system of giving Maori money to sort their shit out will work?

[Indiana_Jones]

What a joke.

-Indy

[ManDownUnder]

Going on past performance, what makes you think that any system of giving Maori money to sort their shit out will work?

My faith in society's ability to evolve over time, learn a few lessons and coming up with something workable eventually. Historic failures don't equate to something being impossible.

And while being somewhat of a cynic of the pending success in respect of this latest offering, I'm open to being proven wrong, indeed I hope to be.

[MSTRS:Me]

My faith in society's ability to evolve over time, learn a few lessons and coming up with something workable eventually. Historic failures don't equate to something being impossible.

And while being somewhat of a cynic of the pending success in respect of this latest offering, I'm open to being proven wrong, indeed I hope to be.

Let's go back to the human analogy...
You have 10 kids. You give each of them a lolly. Each kid gets to eat their lolly. And then come back for more.
Now...this scenario....
You have 10 kids. You give one of them 10 lollies to share out with the other nine. The kid has 1 mate amongst the nine, so he shares the lollies with him. 8 kids get nothing.
So, 8 kids come back to you, howling cos they missed out.
Because you see that what's happened is unfair, you hand those 8 kids another 8 lollies individually.
Everyone got a lolly, but it cost you more lollies than it did before.
THAT is how it works.

[ManDownUnder]

Let's go back to the human analogy...
You have 10 kids. You give each of them a lolly. Each kid gets to eat their lolly. And then come back for more.
Now...this scenario....
You have 10 kids. You give one of them 10 lollies to share out with the other nine. The kid has 1 mate amongst the nine, so he shares the lollies with him. 8 kids get nothing.
So, 8 kids come back to you, howling cos they missed out.
Because you see that what's happened is unfair, you hand those 8 kids another 8 lollies individually.
Everyone got a lolly, but it cost you more lollies than it did before.
THAT is how it works.

Then the person setting it up either needs their head read or if they did a good job and the outcome is inescapable you rule it out as a viable option. And no -no extra lollies. Handing them out simply fuels the illbegotten system. They all need to suffer together.

What if the one kid is wisely chosen, convinces the kids they could sell their lollies at a profit and buy other neat stuff that they preferred anyway?

[P38]

They are functionally different documents.

A treaty is an agreement by which parties formalise the terms of... let's say ... living together. Sadly the ToW is fundamentally flawed in as far as the English copy don't mean the same ans the Maori copy. Therefore we actually have TWO contracts... formalising areas where we disagree on how we will live together.

GREAT for lawyers to use for revenue generating purposes and the aggreived party to come back to the state tit when they need to.

A constitution is a set of rules for governing a country.

I prefer the latter if we're going to use a document as the basis for... let's just say... governing a country

I believe there are several Maori copies of the TOW which say different things.
And lets not forget not all maori signed either.

There in lies our problem of this never ending story.

Our kids will be paying for this for generations infinitum.

[ManDownUnder]

I believe there are several Maori copies of the TOW which say different things.
And lets not forget not all maori signed either.

There in lies our problem of this never ending story.

Our kids will be paying for this for generations infinitum.

so what we need is a sacrficial government.

Vote me in. My election promise is to focus solely on the abolition of the TOW with a view to replacing it with a constitution... not touching ANY other legislation... then getting the fuck out of office with a spcific request for no perks, no travel, nor airfares and no retirement benefits of any way shape or fomr.

What's more I will call another election immediately upon the passage of the "Treaty of Waitangi Abolition Act 2010"

[P38]

so what we need is a sacrficial government.

Vote me in. My election promise is to focus solely on the abolition of the TOW with a view to replacing it with a constitution... not touching ANY other legislation... then getting the fuck out of office with a spcific request for no perks, no travel, nor airfares and no retirement benefits of any way shape or fomr.

What's more I will call another election immediately upon the passage of the "Treaty of Waitangi Abolition Act 2010"

Now your talking!!!!

You got my vote!