Separate Maori welfare funding

[ManDownUnder]

Now your talking!!!!

You got my vote!

Sorry - one thing I will need is a secure place in Witness protection.... Just a hunch

[MSTRS:Me]

Sorry - one thing I will need is a secure place in Witness protection.... Just a hunch

There could be a spot on a farm in Zimbabwe...safe as houses, mate, and miles away from those that would want their pound...

[MSTRS:Me]

Then the person setting it up either needs their head read or if they did a good job and the outcome is inescapable you rule it out as a viable option. And no -no extra lollies. Handing them out simply fuels the illbegotten system. They all need to suffer together.

The hard-done-by 8 will just go the Grandma (UN) complaining about their human rights being ignored...Grandma knows how to deal with you. She's had LOTS of practice...

What if the one kid is wisely chosen, convinces the kids they could sell their lollies at a profit and buy other neat stuff that they preferred anyway?

Neat stuff? What - like beer, pokies, TAB accounts? Hell - some of them might even get to see the Eiffel Tower, eh boi?

[ManDownUnder]

The hard-done-by 8 will just go the Grandma (UN) complaining about their human rights being ignored...Grandma knows how to deal with you. She's had LOTS of practice...

And they will be encouraged to take the 2 guilty kids to the UN.

Neat stuff? What - like beer, pokies, TAB accounts? Hell - some of them might even get to see the Eiffel Tower, eh boi?

Having learned under the man... I would give this guy significant influence over the use of such funds.

I have a ton of respect for him and would expect considerable benefits (excuse the terrible pun) to flow forth

[Deano]

We are a country of individuals.
You can never change the world, only yourself.
Look at those that had access to the system, ignored it, and moved on. They are now better off for it. It is unfortunate that there are those who feel that people have been mistreated. However do not get confused - the people out there fighting for this are not black, they are white.
Name the last Maori person who fought for such matters and succeeded. There is a white persons agenda here, I just don't know what it is yet.
National to get Maori vote?

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It is not a colour issue bro. What's with the 'colour' thing ?
Are you using colour as an analogy or something ? My wife and kids are part Maori but whiter than I am in summer.

I'm sick of hearing about colours to be honest.

[MSTRS:Me]

And they will be encouraged to take the 2 guilty kids to the UN.



Having learned under the man... I would give this guy significant influence over the use of such funds.

I have a ton of respect for him and would expect considerable benefits (excuse the terrible pun) to flow forth

Hey - don't get me wrong - if something can work better than what we have now, then great.
Please forgive my scepticism...history (esp recent) tells me that greedy, nepotistic, tribal affiliations will not allow it to work.

[Deano]

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It is not a colour issue bro. What's with the 'colour' thing ?
Are you using colour as an analogy or something ? My wife and kids are part Maori but whiter than I am in summer.

I'm sick of hearing about colours to be honest.

Should I put my kids out there for every grant, scholarship etc that is out there for the taking ?

I see our family as middle class NZers, (average Kiwis) but simply because my wife and kids have Maori blood, should we "jump on the gravy train" ?

One "Maori" person I spoke to about this said it's not about a gravy train, simply what we are entitled to.

What the fuck does that mean ?

My wife and I both grew up in middle class, KIWI families and cultures.

My wife has done better financially than I have and she is part Maori, not me.....so.....WTF ?

Life's what you make it.

[wbks]

Should I put my kids out there for every grant, scholarship etc that is out there for the taking ?

I see our family as middle class NZers, (average Kiwis) but simply because my wife and kids have Maori blood, should we "jump on the gravy train" ?

One "Maori" person I spoke to about this said it's not about a gravy train, simply what we are entitled to.

What the fuck does that mean ?

My wife and I both grew up in middle class, KIWI families and cultures.

My wife has done better financially than I have and she is part Maori, not me.....so.....WTF ?

Life's what you make it.

If someones white kids were offered more oportunities than yours because of their race, wouldn't you be slightly bitter? Life IS what you make of it, but for some, there is more of "IT" to "make"

[Deano]

I don't want to play the race card in order to get my kids more advantages than anyone else, particularly when I think that we are doing pretty well thank you very much.

I think that is just bullshit.

[BikerDazz]

I've been working in the social service field for some years.
As a white male I can honestly say that Maori clients that I have worked with have voiced their preference for working with me rather than a maori social worker or maori agency - why? because I'm honest, reliable and they know I do my job to the best of my ability.

Frankly, maori agencies or workers, although not all, don't deliver what they say they will. There's often a lot of big talk but no action. I have repatetdly seen this phenomenom and heard it a lot from clients.

My concern if the govt funds separtist agencies that those agencies will not be tranparent, will pay themselves well but do fuck all for the people that need the services.

And I wanna know what is happening with all the millions from Treaty settlements. I don't see any of that filtering down to those living in poverty or having major social issues. Again, Maori service users have often voiced the same concern and frustration.

I'm all for equity over equality, where minority groups are given extra support to reach the mainstream but where the hell are the results?

Anyway, fuck it, lets get pissed and forget about it!

[wbks]

I don't want to play the race card in order to get my kids more advantages than anyone else, particularly when I think that we are doing pretty well thank you very much.

I think that is just bullshit.

Good for you. I just think everyone should have to work just as hard as the next NZer to get where they are in life, under the same conditions, just like it sounds like you and your family have

[MSTRS:Me]

Life's what you make it.

Too bloody right, it is.

[mashman]

Some people just take what they are entitled to irrespective of the consequences and the segregation of communities only ever seems to end in disaster... could be that it'll work, but wouldn't it be prudent to ask the Maori people and not their political representatives.

Example: I was chattin with a couple of guys from Zim the other day as i watched Liverpool fall apart (one a Chelsea fan, but i forgave him, kinda)... Anyway, darker than night, but brighter than most and they confirmed what a good friend of mine (ex SA cop) has seen. The "blacks" took the farms back because they were told the land was theirs, but weren't taught how to farm. Result, shitloads of farms dissapeared, less food, infertile land, lots and lots of dead people, huge economic faux pas... They left and never want to go back... They're now studying at Strathclyde Uni and want to go back to London... Why? because Glasgow is full of segregation, albeit mainly religious, but that in itself, according to Dixon, has led to racial problems as they see it everywhere, and they just want the next 2 years to hurry up and go by so they can get out...

A culture of segregation only ever seems to breed more segregation and not neccessarily the same segregation that the culture was built upon.

[carver]

Why this is occuring with every govt is because NZ has signed up to the UN race based policies.
of course, the idea is to lower the standard of living, and rule by division.
A revoloution would be a good start, and let NZ govern as NZ sees fit, instead of jumping through everyone elses hoops.

anyone keen?

elect me as leader.

[Pussy]

anyone keen?

elect me as leader.

You'd be the first lady, wouldn't you?