Te Kuiti cop: taking him 2 court

[Jantar]

This is why you have the opportunity to defend the matter in court. As far as burden of proof is concerned, what are you talking about please? The burden of proof is with police and you are innocent until proven guilty here in NZ, not the other way round.

For traffic infringements the burden of proof is with the defence. So you are guilty unless proven innocent.

[CookMySock]

For traffic infringements the burden of proof is with the defence. So you are guilty unless proven innocent.

The burden of proof is hardly worth it, after you have spent a grand on lawyering up, and a massive level of gutsache just standing up for yourself is it? Only to have the pigs withdraw it because it was on shakey ground to begin with. I'm sure they find all this fucking hilarious. Unbridled actions without consequence - nice work if you can get it.

Life isn't meant to be that hard, but the pigs don't give a fuck, as long as THEIR life isn't that hard.

I'm not talking about speeding and other calculated risks we all take against the fuzz. I'm talking about deliberately and baselessly targetting people for what is tantamount to rorting the legal system, for no benefit to anyone except the pigs' ego.

Steve

[Littleman]

What I'd really like for Christmas is for one of the mods to show exactly who has given green bling to Dangerous Bastard.

I think it would be facinating.

[Jantar]

What I'd really like for Christmas is for one of the mods to show exactly who has given green bling to Dangerous Bastard.

I think it would be facinating.

It would be, if we had the ability to do that.

[Littleman]

What about some sort of volunteer system. Maybe offer amnesty, a clean slate if you will, to start the New Year afresh?

Surely there's much shame and embarrassment that needs to be purged.

[CookMySock]

What about some sort of volunteer system. Maybe offer amnesty, a clean slate if you will, to start the New Year afresh?

I like it. I'll start.

I'm deleting my entire ignore list.

Steve

[woodyracer]

I like it. I'll start.

I'm deleting my entire ignore list.

Steve

who's on the ignore list aye??

[CookMySock]

who's on the ignore list aye??

No one. Clean slate. Merry Christmas!

Steve

[Tone165]

Sprocket change should not affect speedo reading as most bikes speedo is driven from front wheel.

Incorrect.......

most late model bikes do not use any speedo cables, speed is worked out by the computer based on what gear, and what revs.

Therefore altering the sprockets will effect the reading. Tyres may..but would be far less severe.

You can buy a device to re-calibrate the speedo (speedohealer)

[red mermaid]

Stop moaning, you admitted to exceeding 100km/h in your post therefore offence proven.
If you dont like it be in the Te Kuiti Court to defend the ticket.

[geoffm]

This is why you have the opportunity to defend the matter in court. As far as burden of proof is concerned, what are you talking about please? The burden of proof is with police and you are innocent until proven guilty here in NZ, not the other way round.

Excuse me? What proof do the cops have to provide should you be dumb enough to take it to court? For example. there is no requirement to provide any video evidence, although this is trivial to connect to Lidar and radar systems, so that the machine reading and the target are both recorded. No other independent eveidence is collected or presented. No body, no DNA, no independnet witnesses, no specialist evidence - because it doesn't exist, isn't collected and there is no requirement for it anyway. What other evidence is there?
Presumably if you could prove you were in another country, you might be able to get off - but you would have to name the other driver as the registered owner is automatically guilty otherwise. If you can't do that, then tough. I know of another case some years ago, on more serious charges than traffic, where a passport with entry and exit stamps was presented as evidence the accused couldn't have done the crime, but the police ignored it. It did eventually get thrown out of court, but the accused was out $20-30k of legal fees. Much the same cost as pleading guilty really...
Cop stands in court and says you were guilty, JP knocks it down as guilty. next case.
Geoff

[Winston001]

So anyone know how this all worked out? Being as how its 15 months old.

For traffic infringements the burden of proof is with the defence. So you are guilty unless proven innocent.

It might appear that way but I can assure you there is nothing special about traffic infringement prosecutions. The burden of proof is with the police who have to produce evidence to convince the judge. From time to time these charges are dismissed because the officer isn't available.

Purely as a matter of interest there is a category of offences called Strict Liability where the burden falls on the defendant. For example, child pornography - if you've got it you have to argue it isn't pornographic. Good luck with that.

FYI prosecutions by Inland Revenue require you to prove your innocence. That comes as a bit of a shock to some people.

[red mermaid]

Has anyone told IRD about DB, or here's a thought...I bet he works for them.

[rustic101]

Bullshit.

What happens is, the pigs pull you up and run the "attitude test" on you, which means they waste your time, inadvertantly accuse you of a whole lot of baseless crap, and generally rake up a bunch of inflamatory shit until you respond, and then they throw the fucking book at you.

THEN they trump up any crap they like and book you for it and force you to jump through ten thousand hoops in a fucking court of law and PAY $500 for a lawyer, and THEN they threaten you with a fuckload of horrific consequences unless you PAY the said $600 fine, so you spend ANOTHER grand getting affidavits filed in the district court, and GUESS WHAT?? THEY WITHDRAW their action!!!

The pigs are a fucking law unto themselves, and have little care or regard for members of the general public unless said public are prepared to suck the pigs' cock. They should get on and do their job impartially, just like any other public servant.

edit: uh yeah, merry christmas.

Steve

said "attitude test".

You have some serious issues which you need to address, IMO. I would suggest you start with looking in the dictionary and finding two words 1) self, and 2) respect. After applying those I suggest you take a moment to offer some consideration to the amount of work that the Police do other than write infringement notices out to those draw attention to themselves.

Personally I am sick and tired of your negativity towards an organisation that strives to make a difference every hour of every day of every year. Sure like any organisation they may have one or two individuals that are dorks, what company doesn’t. If you have a problem with them deal with it!!

Please do not direct or spread your vile, unwanted, negative diatribe on nameless message boards to those that are not able to defend themselves.

[CookMySock]

said "attitude test".

You have some serious issues which you need to address, IMO. I would suggest you start with looking in the dictionary and finding two words 1) self, and 2) respect. After applying those I suggest you take a moment to offer some consideration to the amount of work that the Police do other than write infringement notices out to those draw attention to themselves.

Personally I am sick and tired of your negativity towards an organisation that strives to make a difference every hour of every day of every year. Sure like any organisation they may have one or two individuals that are dorks, what company doesn’t. If you have a problem with them deal with it!!

Please do not direct or spread your vile, unwanted, negative diatribe on nameless message boards to those that are not able to defend themselves.

Hehe, I'll do as I fucking choose, just as you do. There are more than a few "dorks" as you put it, in the police force.

Put me on your ignore list if you don't like it. Thats what its for.

Steve