Foolproof way to get off a ticket inside!

[meowmix]

Sod it. Just wrote a reply and lost it. So - I cannot comprehend why you blame the police for anything. You haven't contacted them with your evidence. If we honestly expected the police to believe every "it wasn't me" nobody would ever be convicted.

The District Court staff granted the re-hearing because they almost always do. No effect on them.

Read Brian and Red Mermaids posts - sound advice. Paddy has made thoughtful posts but regrettably not accurate.

It was the police who reissued the fine and sent me the evidence I had submitted to the courts. They are fully aware of everything.

[scumdog]

And often the party giving the false details is very well known to the party whose details they are using.

And then police are hamstrung by only being allowed 15 minutes to satisfactorily ID a person.

And the opposite side of this thread would be getting held up by police while they photograph and fingerprint you on the side of the road, which they have legislative authority to do. I can hear the moans on KB about that one already.

Yep, then there would be this thread on KB: "I was stopped by the pigs and had left my licence behind and he wouldn't believe who I was and kept me at the side of the road for over 15 minutes trying to figure out who I was, FFS, I already told him, what more did he need?"

[scumdog]

Sod it. Just wrote a reply and lost it. So - I cannot comprehend why you blame the police for anything. You haven't contacted them with your evidence. If we honestly expected the police to believe every "it wasn't me" nobody would ever be convicted.

The District Court staff granted the re-hearing because they almost always do. No effect on them.

Read Brian and Red Mermaids posts - sound advice. Paddy has made thoughtful posts but regrettably not accurate.

Hopefully some of his contact has been with the PIB?
And not just the issuing officer?

[pzkpfw]

How did Mr Kennedy know your birthday and DL number?

He thinks the Police got it themselves...

The Driver's licence number and Date of Birth were correct, I assume it was after radioing in and requesting the details.

[firefighter]

Hopefully you have logged your hours down that you've spent sorting this all out, including on the day of court and ask to be paid out at your full current salary rate for wasted time.

I usually defend the cops but this is ratshit. The first part is fair enough and it's understandable, but after you've already put through more than enough evidence it's really shitty that it's been re-issued where identity theft is obvious, and it's hardly a new thing.

Good luck with it all.

[scumdog]

He thinks the Police got it themselves...

He ASSUMES that.

It is likely the 'offending' party gave the correct date of birth and the cop got the licence number - although I have heard of a situation where what I have just mentioned happened - and then on future occassions the offending party memorised the licence number from the previous ticket, told that to the cop who then confirmed it by a check-up which of course would indicate all was OK.....

The O.P. could request the Police put in their computer system that since somebody else using his I.D. that production of drivers licence is a MUST if said person (using his I.D.) has been stopped by Police - of course the O.P. will be in the poo if leaves his licence at home one day..

[Ixion]

You have definitely got issues.

I think you should go to court and assist meowmix, and start the defence by accusing the police officers of lying. Go on, bet you won't.

Nope. No issues. Just half a century of seeing this sort of shit go down again and again.

Cops never lie ? Yeah, right. Just like cops never rape. or commit any of the other offences that have seen a good number of them behind bars recently (and bear in mind, those that get caught are the tip of the iceberg). remember the Police Commissioner (don't get more senior than that) who had to resign because he tried to lie his way out of a drink driving rap?

And of course I'm not going to accuse cops of lying. I'm not a fool, I'd be a marked man for the rest of my life. Look at what happened to Louise Nicols when she tried to blow the whistle on rapist cops.

90% of cops are OK, 10% are bent ratbags. But the 10% set the standards and the 90% will make sure they cover for the 10%. Corruption isn't always a matter of used fivers in a brown paper bag, and police corruption IS endemic in NZ.

[scumdog]

Nope. No issues. Just half a century of seeing this sort of shit go down again and again.

Cops never lie ? Yeah, right. Just like cops never rape. or commit any of the other offences that have seen a good number of them behind bars recently (and bear in mind, those that get caught are the tip of the iceberg). remember the Police Commissioner (don't get more senior than that) who had to resign because he tried to lie his way out of a drink driving rap?

And of course I'm not going to accuse cops of lying. I'm not a fool, I'd be a marked man for the rest of my life. Look at what happened to Louise Nicols when she tried to blow the whistle on rapist cops.

90% of cops are OK, 10% are bent ratbags. But the 10% set the standards and the 90% will make sure they cover for the 10%. Corruption isn't always a matter of used fivers in a brown paper bag, and police corruption IS endemic in NZ.

Wow, you're starting to sound like SPB!

[peasea]

Thats right, due to the complete incompetence of our Police system, there is a way to avoid any tickets you may encounter, as long as its not fast enough to warrant taking your vehicle off you etc.

Simply say your name is something that it isn't. Simple huh?

How do I know this?

Some little prick used my name last year, on TWO seperate occasions when being pulled over for a licence check. What does Sgt. Ignor Anus do? "Oh, no licence? No other I.D.? You seem legit, I'll take your word for it."

WTF is wrong with the police? My tax is going to these jackasses wages!? Now I have to go to court to prove it wasn't me. Wow.

Btw, just checking the great pool of KB legal knowledge, are written and signed statements of witness good as evidence?

Now go out there with no rego and speed as much as you want under 140! When you get pulled up, use Ethan Kennedy. Just a "random" name here, it just feels like it deserves it...

Oh, that explains all the legal crap in my letterbox, thanks heaps.
Love, E.Kennedy.

[peasea]

Nope. No issues. Just half a century of seeing this sort of shit go down again and again.

Cops never lie ? Yeah, right. Just like cops never rape. or commit any of the other offences that have seen a good number of them behind bars recently (and bear in mind, those that get caught are the tip of the iceberg). remember the Police Commissioner (don't get more senior than that) who had to resign because he tried to lie his way out of a drink driving rap?

And of course I'm not going to accuse cops of lying. I'm not a fool, I'd be a marked man for the rest of my life. Look at what happened to Louise Nicols when she tried to blow the whistle on rapist cops.

90% of cops are OK, 10% are bent ratbags. But the 10% set the standards and the 90% will make sure they cover for the 10%. Corruption isn't always a matter of used fivers in a brown paper bag, and police corruption IS endemic in NZ.

You're not wrong mate. I've seen cops lie in the box and seen bullshit written statements fererring to incidents I saw unravel and you try and tell that to a judge. Yeah, sure there are some good cops etc etc but when the shit hits the fan they circle the wagons and use OUR money to fight any and all allegations. The last time I checked I think it was about 3% of complaints against police were upheld. You can't tell me that the other 97% were all bullshit; some of them sure, but not 97%. What it boils down to is how much time and money a member of the public is willing to spend bringing a liar in blue to account.

[red mermaid]

I wonder if the motorcycle club, whose name you appear to have used in bad faith, know of your slandering the judicial system?

Nope. No issues. Just half a century of seeing this sort of shit go down again and again.

Cops never lie ? Yeah, right. Just like cops never rape. or commit any of the other offences that have seen a good number of them behind bars recently (and bear in mind, those that get caught are the tip of the iceberg). remember the Police Commissioner (don't get more senior than that) who had to resign because he tried to lie his way out of a drink driving rap?

And of course I'm not going to accuse cops of lying. I'm not a fool, I'd be a marked man for the rest of my life. Look at what happened to Louise Nicols when she tried to blow the whistle on rapist cops.

90% of cops are OK, 10% are bent ratbags. But the 10% set the standards and the 90% will make sure they cover for the 10%. Corruption isn't always a matter of used fivers in a brown paper bag, and police corruption IS endemic in NZ.

[DEATH_INC.]

Wow, you're starting to sound like SPB!

Wanna see the written statement I have by a very senior superintendant, then have a listen to the audio recording of the offence? It's kinda funny....

[Ixion]

I wonder if the motorcycle club, whose name you appear to have used in bad faith, know of your slandering the judicial system?

Sigh.

It's the police system , not the judicial system. The police system and the judicial system are two plain different things. The police system is the projection of the power of the state; the judicial system is the containment of that power within the law. Though the police certainly sometimes appear to think that they are the judicial system as well, constitution or no constitution. And a 'system' cannot be slandered . You should know that. And it's in writing so it would be libel not slander. You should know that, too. And truth is always a defense to either, as is fair comment. You should know that , too. Were you wagging the day they covered the laws on defamation at Police College ? You'll need to do better, much better.

And the Ixion MCC (to which I assume you refer) fall a mere 3000 years or so short of being able to claim propriertary right to the name ; and half a century odd short of its use in a motorcycling context.

If the celestial shade of the reverend and canonical gentleman and biker (for he was both, and a through-going Christian of the good old school to boot) in whose erudite shadow I feebly attempt to follow, cares to lodge a caveat I'll take the matter under advisement . Until then , bugger off.

You're a cop. I'll grant the grace of assuming an unbent one. But there are bent cops. Not many, but too many. One bad apple and all that. You'd do the Force more of a favour by setting to and rooting out your dodgy collegues (you could start with a certain Ginga one), rather than trying to defend the indefensible.

[red mermaid]

So what do you do for a job, and bet there is plenty of bent ones in that occupation?

[Ixion]

So what do you do for a job, and bet there is plenty of bent ones in that occupation?

I'm quite sure there are. But firstly, I (and they) have not taken an oath to undertake the office of constable "without favour or affection, malice or ill will, until I am lawfully discharged." A higher standard of fidelity is required, and expected, of those to whom are entrusted the coercive and prerogative powers of the Crown, than of the common citizen. It goes with the job, so to speak.Like Caesar's wife . (Not that she goes with the job, unless your name is Shipton)

And secondly, should I become aware of any bent ones, I and my fellows would certainly do what lay within my power to expose them , or at least draw their derelictions to the attention of the proper authorities. Not gather in a circle to conceal them .