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Homo Sapiens Vulgaris
The whalers maybe - not the general population. Big difference! I am pretty sure that the man on the street has got no fear that they will get into trouble with Sea Shepherd...Originally Posted by avgas
Your grasp of physics is lacking. Care to hazard a guess of the weights of those two vessels? And for your information, the Ady Gill is most definitely doing "somewhat" less than 40 knots at the time of impact - i.e. not full tilt.
Regardless of how you feel about the dickheads - they didn't cause the collision. And if you care to scroll up a little bit you'll see that I most certainly do not sympathise with the Sea Shepherd crowd. I am merely saying that "terrorists" isn't the appropriate label and that they are not - solely - responsible for the collision.
Objectivity - try it before your neighbour.
Shared blame - otherwise the Japanese will take full blame. Shared is appropriate.
Seen the video taken from the 3rd vessel? The Ady Gil is effectively sitting still on the water. You have to be under power to steer, you have to steer to get out of the way - too little too late. But it would explain why you can see exhaust plumes from the in the last seconds - but at that point the collision is already inevitable.
The big question here is, did Sea Shepherd actually want to have the Japanese run them down? I think they just might have wanted exactly this to happen - yes, the boat is lost but just look at the publicity they are getting right now. You couldn't buy this kind of coverage for $1.5M! And the spin in the media, here in NZ anyway, is wholly in favour of Sea Shepherd.
It is preferential to refrain from the utilisation of grandiose verbiage in the circumstance that your intellectualisation can be expressed using comparatively simplistic lexicological entities. (...such as the word fuck.)
Remember your humanity, and forget the rest. - Joseph Rotblat
stormrider
Fuckem
Sea Shepard is an Eco terrorist organisation & have videoed the destruction of their own boat to try & gain public sympathy for their cause. It has zero to do with the rules of the sea & everything to do with free publicity.
The Japanese may be better off to declare the Sea Shepard organisation a terrorist group & send their own navy out with their whaling ships, as someone said previously the Norweigian government had done this & their navy could now shoot them on sight. I'll bet the Japanese navy can shoot straight too
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Homo Sapiens Vulgaris
Oh yeah, Dave Angel - Eco Warrior:
More...
It is preferential to refrain from the utilisation of grandiose verbiage in the circumstance that your intellectualisation can be expressed using comparatively simplistic lexicological entities. (...such as the word fuck.)
Remember your humanity, and forget the rest. - Joseph Rotblat
Forum whore
What a load of twaddleThe AG was sitting stationary - they had used their main fuel supply, were disengaging and about to return to refuel. The japs saw a chance to run down a stationary vehicle and took it. The watch on the AG was not quick enough to realise what was going on - the skipper was below decks - by the time he got to the helm it was basically far to late to do anything - to steer a boat, you need power - what's the bet the rudders were hard to starboard when the AG powered up! - far to late - some straight forward momentum is inevitable before rudders can bite. The jap ship may have misjudged, but, the chaser ships are pretty manouverable - if it didn't intend to ram it could have turned to port earlier!you can clearly see the increase of plumes from the smaller boats engines propelling it into the path.
No skipper or organisation wants to see their ship sunk on purpose - but - now that it's happened, of course SS will milk it for all it's worth.
If you believe that, you're a bigger fuckwit than I thought
“- He felt that his whole life was some kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.”
The magic is in the rubbing.
This has been a rather educational read..thank you all.
I really had no idea just how violent this Save The Whales lot were. Pretty grim.
I'm all for protecting those that cannot protect themsevles whether they be human, animal or mammal, but some things that Sea Shepard have been alledgedly been involved in are a little bad taste.
One, two free, floor!
I would suggest a LOT earlier. It seems to be an ongoing game of cat and mouse one small manoeuvrable craft able to maintain right of way by laws of the sea, one big craft able to claim it by the laws of physics.
I still reckon if they don't want whale meat to be eaten, shoot a fucken great syringe full of arsenic or simthing into the whale as it gets pulled from the sea. It's going to dier anyway, it's not going to be eaten (*cough b'shit cought*)... so what different would it make?
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Sea terrorist:
Look at the history of this group - Fuck when reading about it Im suprised NZ even allows them to dock here - they are fucken terrorist:
# 1977: Paul Watson, one of the founder members of Greenpeace, was expelled from the organisation after a campaign against sealing during which he threw the sealers’ clubs and skins into the sea. His actions temporarily cost Greenpeace their tax-exemption status in the US.
# 1977: Paul Watson establishes the “Sea Shepherd” organisation.
# 1979: A Sea Shepherd vessel rams the whaler “Sierra”.
# 1980: The “Sierra” is sunk in Lisbon harbour with the help of limpet mines. Sea Shepherd claims responsibility.
# 1981: Sea Shepherd sinks the two whaling vessels, Ibsa I and Ibsa II, in the Spanish harbour of Viga (Sole source Sea Shepherd. This has not been confirmed by any other source)
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# 1986: Sea Shepherd activists shoot at Faroese police with a line rifle and try to sink their rubber dinghies.
The vessel “Sea Shepherd” was ordered to leave Faroese territorial waters after attempting to obstruct the Faroese pilot whale harvest. The vessel ignored the order, and Faroese police tried unsuccessfully to board the ship. In the police report of Oct. 7,1986, it says: “One of the rubber dinghies was attacked directly by a so called “Speed Line” line rifle. The attack is considered to have endangered the lives of the police crew members seriously ... also, signal flares containing phosphorous (a substance which both burns and cauterizes) was thrown at the police. At a later stage the Sea Shepherd used so called “toads” (i.e. rotating iron spikes, pointed and sharp at both ends), against the rubber dinghies .. petrol was poured over the side of the ship ... whereupon signal flares were thrown from the “Sea Shepherd” in a miscarried attempt to set the petrol on fire.” Sea Shepherd accused the Faroese police of having shot at them with rifles. The police emphasize in their report that they only used tear gas and gas cartridges from shotguns.
# 1986: Sea Shepherd claims responsibility for the sinking of two whaling vessels in Reykjavik, Iceland, and for malicious damage to the whaling station not far from the town. The act was carried out by two US citizens, one of them, Rodney Corronado, is now wanted in the US for several incidents of serious animal rights terrorism.
# 1988: Paul Watson arrives in Iceland demanding to be held responsible for the sinking of the whaling vessels in Reykjavik in 1986. He is arrested and held for questioning. He realizes that he can risk facing several years imprisonment. In a press release from the Icelandic Ministry of Justice it says: “At questioning Paul Watson has admitted that he has given some remarks that connect him with the sabotage, but in spite of this he now claims that he neither took part in the planning nor the execution of the sabotage.” There was no evidence incriminating Watson. He was ordered to leave the country and declared persona non grata in Iceland
# 1991: Mr A. Ferreira, A US crew member on a Mexican fishing vessel, reports to his senator that Sea Shepherd rammed his vessel causing considerable damage. Some of Sea Shepherd’s crew were armed with rifles. Senator John Seymour replies: “Your situation does not fall under my jurisdiction. I have therefore forwarded your letter to the American Tunaboat Association.”
# 1991: Scott Trimmingham, president of Sea Shepherd quits in protest. “We had rules about not hurting anyone, about not using weapons. I left because those rules and that philosophy seems to be changing,” he said to “Outside” magazine (Sept. 1991).
Paul Watson admits that there are arms on board “Sea Shepherd”. “We confront dangerous people. As the captain, it is my responsibility to protect the lives of my crew ... Therefore, I have prepared myself for the possibility of defending my crew in a situation that could go never occur, but if it does I will use firearms to first intimidate and then to defend,” said Watson to the Los Angeles Free Weekly (April 24, 1992).
Seattle Times columnist Alston Chase comments thus on Sea Shepherds relationship to weapons: “The business of Sea Shepherd is confrontation, whereby these sailor activists try to provoke others to attack. Crying self-defence in these circumstances is like the gunfighter who starts a quarrel to justify duelling his enemy.” (The Seattle Times, July 1, 1991).
# 1992: Sea Shepherd makes unsuccessful attempts at ramming three Costa Rican fishing vessels. In a written complaint to the local authorities the fishermen report that the Sea Shepherd crew shot at them with bullets containing a red substance, hitting two of them and causing them great pain.
# 1992: Sea Shepherd makes unsuccessful attempt at scuttling the combined minke whaling and fishing vessel "Nybrćna" at her moorings in the Lofoten Islands. The vessel was salvaged, but the water had caused considerable damage.
# 1993: Paul Watson orders the crew on board the Sea Shepherd vessel “Edward Abbey” (formerly US Navy) to open cannon fire at a Japanese fishing vessel.
The following transcript stems from the 1993 Yorkshire Television documentary “Defenders of the Wild - Ocean Rider”
Paul Watson (over the radio): We are going to ram you!
Stand clear!
A Taiwanese drift-netter (over the radio): “Why are you
crushing our ship?”
Paul Watson: “You are killing too many dolphins ..
and you insulted us by calling us creeps.”
From another confrontation with a Japanese fishing vessel:
Narrator: Sea Shepherd is ready to ram again.
Now Paul Watson wants the Edward Abbey to fire directly
at the drift-netters.
Watson: “Fire a couple in the stern right at the water line.
Nobody’s there.”
Narrator: “To the relief of many of the crew members the
order is not carried out. The Edward Abbey fires a cannon
shot across its bow. Still the Japanese ship does not stop."
# 1993: Sea Shepherd makes an unsuccesful attempt at scuttling the combined minke whaling and fishing vessel "Senet" at her moorings in Gressvik. The vessel was salvaged, but the water had caused some damage.
# 1993: Sea Shepherd concludes that the organisation has sunk 8 ships and rammed and damaged a further 6.
Dismissed from the IWC
After the sinking of the Icelandic whaling vessels in 1986, Sea Shepherd lost its status as observer at the IWC. The organisation claims that it is merely enforcing IWC rules. In February 1994, IWC Secretary, Ray Gambell, declared to NTB (the Norwegian Telegram Agency) that the IWC and all its member states ardently condemn Sea Shepherd’s acts of terrorism.
Forum whore
Precisely - after all - it's just "scientific research".......
From looking at another video from the Bob Barker
Japs were maintaining a course that would see them sail straight past the AG with plenty of room to spare. Clearly visible from the Barker.
AG was 'dead in the water' and out of harms way.
Japs used the front water canon to 'blind' the SS and conceal the attack (the whole boat (AG) doesn't have to be covered, just that snazzy little cockpit - Had a big puddle splashed onto your car windscreen? You can't see shit.) - taking a hard right into them. You can see from the Jap footage that the pilot of the AG wouldn't have seen it coming.
Why did the AG suddenly thrust?
It appears the water canons are not effective within a certain range because they can't shoot down any lower. So, the Japs got close enough to the AG that the canons could not shoot low enough to continue to conceal their change of direction. It was at this point that the SS provided the late burst of thrust to try and avoid a collision.
Probably the skipper of the AG went "Holy shit we're going to get nailed" and gunned it to get away just before the crunch.
As for why the Japs continued to shoot water at them after the collision, I've watched that footage over and over from both angles and the rear canons seem to be fixed at the time. At no point did they shoot forward or back to track the AG. Only the front canon, prior to impact.
The SS just happened to get caught out with the roll of the Japs' boat after the collision.
“- He felt that his whole life was some kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.”
sdkfz
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/austral...-Ady-Gil-sinks
So after deliberately getting this boat in the way of the whalers, their own boat stays away when they need help. While at the same time they complain that the whalers didn't help....Asked if they should have provided assistance, he said: "Well, they were responsible, they destroyed the vessel and the effort to try and keep it from polluting the ocean, I think, they should have offered some sort of assistance but they didn't.
"They refused to acknowledge any distress signal."
One of the Ady Gil's crew members broke two ribs in the collision.
Another of the group's vessels, the Steve Irwin, deliberately stayed away to avoid being tailed by the Japanese whalers, Captain Watson said.
He said the Steve Irwin was in pursuit of another Japanese harpoon vessel, the Yushin Maru, and the crew didn't want the whaling fleet finding out their location. ...
Seems a bit have-cake-and-eat-it-too.
Measure once, cut twice. Practice makes perfect.
Forum whore
If the Jap whaler had stayed on course it would not have collided with the Sea Shepherd. The whaler made a deliberat starbord course and concealed this by applying a water screen/mist to hide its intentions. If this sort of thing was done to a biker by a cage all hell would break lose on here. If I was sitting on jury and saw that footage I would have no hesitationin finding the Master guilty of attempted murder as I would for any of you that had been rammed in like manner.
Skyryder
Free Scott Watson.
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I have read (will look for it now) that maratime lawyers have said the most likly charges will be against SS for terrorism at sea charges - similar as to what they have been charged with previousley.
Forum whore
About the High North Alliance. from where the above comes from.
Why not post the link Tank. Too ashamed to use a Union source
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The High North Alliance was founded in 1991 as a result of cooperation by the Lofoten Regional Council and the Norwegian Whalers’ Union. The organisation was established in response to the campaigns calling for a total ban on all commercial whaling and sealing; and the even more radical ones calling for a total ban on the killing of marine mammals for any reason whatsoever. The High North Alliance’ task is to provide alternative information to these campaigns. The organisation's objective is to protect the rights of whalers, sealers and fishermen to harvest renewable resources in accordance with the principle of sustainable management. The High North Alliance also works towards consolidating the knowledge and skills necessary for the ecologically sound management of marine mammal resources.
From http://www.highnorth.no/about-us.htm
Membership.
The High North Alliance includes the following member organisations:
The Pilot Whaler's Association, Faroe Islands;
KNAPK (The organisation of Fishermen and Hunters in Greenland), Greenland;
LÍÚ, (the Fishing Boat Owner's Association), Iceland;
Vélstjórafélag Íslands, (the Engineer Officers' Association), Iceland;
The Norwegian Whalers' Union), Norway; The Norwegian Fishermen's Union, Norway;
The Lofoten Regional Council, Norway;
The Fishing Boat Owners' Association, Norway;
The Inuvialuit Game Council, Canada;
The Icelandic Seamen's Federation, Iceland;
The Icelandic Minke Whaler's Association, Iceland; and
Sjávarnytjar, Iceland.
Yep all with a vested interest in whaling.
Skyryder
Free Scott Watson.
$1,101,806
The Jap boat was under attack by the sea shepherd deliberatly trailing ropes trying to entangle the ships propeller gear.. left to drift in the southern ocean is not a desireable situation to be in. Self defence anyone?
The jap boat is supposed to turn to stbd to pass behind the stand on vessel the sea shepherd.....and the sea shepherd to to maintain a constant speed and constant heading to let the give way vessel decide and take avoidence action.
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Not ashamed at all. Google yourself and you will find many pages about them being charged for their acts.
The arrest warrents that are out for members are not debatable however and if you search you will find a lot of the info posted is agreed with by the SS arseholes.
So if they agree with the comments and quotes who gives a fuck where it came from - the fact remains its accurate.
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