What's it going to take

[freedom-wedge]

Pedro, Pedro, Pedro. What are we going to do with you? You take a quote out of context and call it a lie. There's your first mistake. Then, you insist that people stubbornly cling to one path, even when that path is shown to be incorrect. Are you that stupid? Would you personally, blindly follow one path when you know it is wrong and will end in a disaster?

If you would, this conversation cannot go anywhere.

But if you would not, why do you think a government should?

Point taken, I might ammend that particular statment as deliberatley misleading, these days I would never willingly travel a path where deceit and dishonesty were normalised, I believe this is fast becomming the case, once upon a time we were either in the group of people that believed in the contents of the peice of paper Chaimerlain waved aloft when he got off the plane from Germany in the 30s or you knew it to be just a matter of time before the face off.

More transparity is whats needed .

[freedom-wedge]

In fact, thinking about this. Pedro, you are calling a man a liar by misrepresenting what he has said. Doesn't that make you a big fat liar too? I think it does.

like I said I validate your point, I,m not fat however nor a liar, you must of voted for him if it upsets you so much ?

[Pascal]

like I said I validate your point, I,m not fat however nor a liar, you must of voted for him if it upsets you so much ?

Actually no, but that's beside the point. I just dislike dishonest people.

[Oscar]

Its obvious to me and I said earleir I have nothing that you would want to hear anyway.

Pedro

Still got nuthin' huh?

[Oscar]

I wont speed to get to my daughters wedding, is snapped at 110kph , I thought you said you wouldnt speed ?, I said I wouldnt speed to my daughters wedding, I,m on my way to the stock exchange. just clever stuff.

The man was asked if he'd raise GST to fund the deficit.
He said no.



Sadly your comprehension is as bad as your grammar and spelling.

[MSTRS:Me]

Sultana's anyone?

With mint, on a sandwich. Yum...

[SMOKEU]

yay for national

Fuck National

[Mully]

CRIMESTOPPERS. An organization run by Key’s mate Lord Ashcroft that allows Kiwis to make any kind of criminal allegation against anybody at all...........anonymously. This allegation is stored overseas out of reach of the NZ legal system.............and can not be accessed by the accused by any legal means at all. The information is passed on to the NZ Police who check the 'integrity' of the information. The Police have no idea who made it or whether it is fact until it has been checked.

Bastards.

Can't you ring the local Plod (anonymously) and report whatever you want anyway? Particularly in these days of prepaid cellphones and throwaway SIM cards.

And don't the police usually assess the 'integrity" of that information before they run out and arrest anybody?

And don't the police have no idea if what they've been told is fact until they check it out anyway?

Of all the examples of "loss of liberty" in this country that you could have used, the choice to this one's a shocker. Of course, it's pretty obvious to all you just wanted to make your point using "John Key's mate" but still.

I expected better from you.

[mashman]

More transparity is whats needed .

Ya reckon you'll really get transparency! Who will measure what has been made transparent? what will it cost to measure that transparency? where is the check list to validate that what was actually done has met the criteria of what's transparent? who makes up the transparency check list? etc...

It won't happen, because it's not practical and will only be open to the usual twisting and turning of spin and lawyers!

[sinned]

You are a deaf bugger.
He said he wouldn't raise GST to finance the increased fiscal deficit caused by the recession.
It was an answer to a specific question that has been removed from the sound bite..

I wont speed to get to my daughters wedding, is snapped at 110kph , I thought you said you wouldnt speed ?, I said I wouldnt speed to my daughters wedding, I,m on my way to the stock exchange. just clever stuff.

"clever stuff" or just the truth?
BTW poor example again - why would you be speeding to your daughters wedding? - would you not be in the wedding car with your daughter and instructing the driver to drive slow so bride to be did not arrive early?

[freedom-wedge]

Ya reckon you'll really get transparency! Who will measure what has been made transparent? what will it cost to measure that transparency? where is the check list to validate that what was actually done has met the criteria of what's transparent? who makes up the transparency check list? etc...

It won't happen, because it's not practical and will only be open to the usual twisting and turning of spin and lawyers!

No I dont think we ever will get that, but this old financial way of doing things is older than old, Spin is resposible for many things, one can be tried in court using it.

[freedom-wedge]

"clever stuff" or just the truth?
BTW poor example again - why would you be speeding to your daughters wedding? - would you not be in the wedding car with your daughter and instructing the driver to drive slow so bride to be did not arrive early?

I migh of been speeding, but hey the driver can take the fall,

[freedom-wedge]

The man was asked if he'd raise GST to fund the deficit.
He said no.



Sadly your comprehension is as bad as your grammar and spelling.

granted on the latter, the first well I think your to one eyed to understand that when asked these questions, a prime minister or an inteded one, should be looking to reasure the public, in this day and age it wouldnt be unreasonable to expect that he was prept before hand and the question written by his people just to mislead, if you dont like my words or they way they are written dont read them

[freedom-wedge]

" And don't the police have no idea if what they've been told is fact until they check it out anyway? "

They are just as able to call this line themselves in order to obtain a dodgy warrant, why not if they get their way with the current search and Seizure bill it would make perfect sense, have your read or know anything about this bill ?? I understand why skyryder brought up the subject and it was valid dispite your disapointment.

[freedom-wedge]

Still got nuthin' huh?

still got nuthing