Refuelling whilst still mounted

[Berries]

Can't be fagged reading the whole 9 yards of this. ..........I reckon there is simply a heap of riders out there who object simply because it's stated and expected of them.

A quick summary for you then.

Many riders get off their bikes to fill up. Many others don't. That's just the way it is and the way it always has been. Everybody is happy. Some riders in Wellington objected to being told to get off their bikes and skulked off home to cuddle mummy and get her to write a letter to the newspaper. IMO they are wankers. For writing the letters. This thread took off because the OP went a little wider and called everyone a wanker who didn't follow the same procedure as he does when filling up.

It has nothing to do with objecting to being told what to do by a petrol station, but everything to do with someone on this forum telling someone else that their way of doing things is best and that anyone who doesn't do it that way is a wanker. What a crock of shit.

Filling up tonight I was thinking about this thread. I'm fucked if I am going to change a habit of a lifetime though, especially as the petrol stations I go to don't have signs and don't appear bothered in the slightest about this practice.

If the petrol stations aren't bothered I really fail to understand why so many people on here are so concerned about the welfare of others when filling up the tank.

[kwaka_crasher]

The one around the scupper of your tank that poors fuel all over the right hand side of the tyre.........

That's the drain to stop the build up of water flowing into the tank when the cap is opened. It's only an overflow until closed and even then only if you spill fuel in it.

[swbarnett]

Because they ask you to, its as clean cut as that, why is not the point

This was not a valid defence at Nuremberg. Why is very much the point. This is why I could never join the army. If an officer gave me an order that I knew had no basis in logic I could not, in all conscience, obey.

In a way, this is a religous argument (evidenced by the length of this thread). They believe that stradlling your bike while refuelling is dangerous and I believe it's not and to worry about it is the slippery slope to a cotton wool society.

It is their property and if they ask you to do something then it should be done.

Only to a point. It's my body and my bike. It's a bit like freedom of religion. If my religion and that of the service station owner disagree then I cannot be expected to follow the tenents of their religion simply because I'm on their Premises.

it is not an unreasonable request to hope off your bike while refueling.

It is unreasonable because their stated reason does not hold water and I have what I consider to be a valid reason to do so.

are your manners that bad that you don't give a rats arse about anyone but yourself.

Quite the opposite. I could claim the same about the service station owners because they are insisting I do something based on a fallacy.

It's a bit like going around to someones house and leaving the fridge door open just because you can't be fucked to close it.

Not true. I understand well the reasons for closing the fridge door so am happy to oblige. I would also oblige if I had no opinion on the matter simply because the owner of the fridge requested it.

[swbarnett]

I reckon there is simply a heap of riders out there who object simply because it's stated and expected of them.

This is probably true. There are also those of us who object because it is not a safety concern and we don't want to be part of a cotton wool society.

[BoristheBiter]

This was not a valid defence at Nuremberg. Why is very much the point. This is why I could never join the army. If an officer gave me an order that I knew had no basis in logic I could not, in all conscience, obey.

It is not 1945 it's 2010 and we are not talking about mass murder. you more likely wouldn't join thae army beacuse you would be running the other way.
What are you a Vulcan?

In a way, this is a religous argument (evidenced by the length of this thread). They believe that stradlling your bike while refuelling is dangerous and I believe it's not and to worry about it is the slippery slope to a cotton wool society.

No its not its just you being a twat.

Only to a point. It's my body and my bike. It's a bit like freedom of religion. If my religion and that of the service station owner disagree then I cannot be expected to follow the tenents of their religion simply because I'm on their Premises.

Yep and you have the right to fuck off to another gas station if you don't like that rule.
Just as they have the right to tell you to get off your bike while refueling.

It is unreasonable because their stated reason does not hold water and I have what I consider to be a valid reason to do so.


Quite the opposite. I could claim the same about the service station owners because they are insisting I do something based on a fallacy.

It doesn't matter what you think, feel or what your opinion is. at the end of the day if you don't like it you take your business else where.

NO matter what you say your argument(s), as they keep changing, has no basis other then to wind people up and see how long you can get this thread to stay current becuse if we use the same logic we would live in an anarchist world where everyone just did what they wanted becuase of your opinion that is an illogical reason.

May your nuts never catch fire
Goodbye

[motorbyclist]

That's the drain to stop the build up of water flowing into the tank when the cap is opened. It's only an overflow until closed and even then only if you spill fuel in it.

ever gotten a full fuel can and shaken it, then opened it? yes, fuel goes everywhere. Same thing happens in your tank and the pressure will go somewhere - in the worst case pushing the liquid fuel back against the lid when the bike is next put on it's sidestand (like when paying for the fuel)

my little h100 has lost alot of paint on the tank after 23 years of this happening even when filled on the sidestand and then ridden as there is no lip to catch it - just because you can't see it on a modern bike doesn't mean it isn't happening

[motorbyclist]

Not true. I understand well the reasons for closing the fridge door so am happy to oblige. I would also oblige if I had no opinion on the matter simply because the owner of the fridge requested it.

so lets say the fridge was turned off and there was nothing in it, and you thought that keeping it open would help prevent mould, but you're still asked to close it. Then owner might have a very good reason in their eyes that is a shit reason in yours (maybe the dog keeps bashing into it). Are you still going to happily oblige or make a twat of yourself because you don't "believe" in his reasons?

either (fuel or fridge) way it's entirely trivial - antagonising people where you have no right nor reasonable need is a good way to be a first class dickhead


oh, and godwins law, much?

[CRF119]

The number one reason wankers like this have for not getting off is that their bike has some sort of "teardrop" tank that can't be filled to the brim unless they hold it upright. If this were true, what happens to the extra fuel once they put their bike back onto its sidestand when they go to pay for their gas? Have they measured the extra amount of fuel that they get into their tank during this procedure? I predict it's only an extra 250ml maximum.

If you did fill it standing up and you could fit more in it it still wouldnt over when on its stand if the lid has be put back on the tank.

Id be more concerned with getting fuel on ya balls which would give the gas station attendent a huge amount of entertainment as they run around looking for water. Ive seen this on a dirt bike at a FMX display. A guy came short and he hit the cap so hard it poped off. He was in a great deal of pain as you can imagine.

[motorbyclist]

If you did fill it standing up and you could fit more in it it still wouldnt over when on its stand if the lid has be put back on the tank.

Id be more concerned with getting fuel on ya balls which would give the gas station attendent a huge amount of entertainment as they run around looking for water. Ive seen this on a dirt bike at a FMX display. A guy came short and he hit the cap so hard it poped off. He was in a great deal of pain as you can imagine.

heheh my mate had that at woodhill once when his petrol cap somehow came off and dissapeared (back in the good old days of zero maintenance and whoops big enough to swallow a bike whole)

[kwaka_crasher]

ever gotten a full fuel can and shaken it, then opened it? yes, fuel goes everywhere. Same thing happens in your tank and the pressure will go somewhere - in the worst case pushing the liquid fuel back against the lid when the bike is next put on it's sidestand (like when paying for the fuel)

my little h100 has lost alot of paint on the tank after 23 years of this happening even when filled on the sidestand and then ridden as there is no lip to catch it - just because you can't see it on a modern bike doesn't mean it isn't happening

It's still not an overflow. And the cap has a vent. If you overfill your bike to THAT degree the fuel will potentially overflow out of the vent to a small degree. I've never had it happen and I've filled right to the brim at times. But I don't make a habit of shaking the bike tank after filling either.

[avgas]

The one around the scupper of your tank that poors fuel all over the right hand side of the tyre.........

There is also the "race cap" breathers, which usually are of no concern, however take 1 sportbike, fill past recommended level (side stand), and lean properly into corners and then is spills out through the top. Not to mention if you drop it.
Did this with a ZXR - filled right to top, put cap on and a little came out the top, 2mins into some nice twisties and I had a good 1/4 cup of the stuff flowing through the breathers.
Needless to say never did that again.

[avgas]

Because of a faked youtube video we get harassed by service station attendants about our cellphones?

Generally snopes is pretty good and finding out what is what:
http://www.snopes.com/autos/hazards/gasvapor.asp

Not entirely true. I trust very few people talking on cellphones. I think it would be wise to avoid anyone distracted using a cellphone in 1 hand an a pump with a highly flammable substance being pumped 1L/sec near a bunch of surfaces over 60 deg C, enough electrical cables to connect a building and device which only purpose in life is to create "sparks".
I also avoid people using Gameboys and Gelignite.........but that's just me. Silly safe me.

[ajturbo]

i stay on my bike till it's fill enough...

and i have NEVER been told to get off

[swbarnett]

so lets say the fridge was turned off and there was nothing in it, and you thought that keeping it open would help prevent mould, but you're still asked to close it. Then owner might have a very good reason in their eyes that is a shit reason in yours (maybe the dog keeps bashing into it). Are you still going to happily oblige or make a twat of yourself because you don't "believe" in his reasons?

Yes, I would close the fridge. The difference is that it's their fridge therefore the risk is theirs. In the case of refuelling it's my bike, my nads and my risk.

either (fuel or fridge) way it's entirely trivial - antagonising people where you have no right nor reasonable need is a good way to be a first class dickhead

Which is exactly my point. The issue is trivial so why do service stations insist on antagonising me for no good reason?

[swbarnett]

I can see we're never going to agree on this issue. No matter.

if we use the same logic we would live in an anarchist world where everyone just did what they wanted becuase of your opinion that is an illogical reason.

A little anarchy is a good thing. No, I don't want complete anarchy but at the same time I don't want complete control either. I happen to like my life without a coating of cotton wool. This is why I ride.

May your nuts never catch fire

Thank you, and the same back at ya.