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[Slyer]

You make a good point. I do enjoy being smarter than average.

[Ronin]

To play Devil's advocate. How many people who would quite cheerfully have the state in one way or another control the ability of people on the benefit to have children were unhappy when, the state told them they how they could or couldn't discipline their own kids? Or how fast they can ride, or where they can pass, or how much ACC they should pay?

Just wondering is all.

[avgas]

To play Devil's advocate. How many people who would quite cheerfully have the state in one way or another control the ability of people on the benefit to have children were unhappy when, the state told them they how they could or couldn't discipline their own kids? Or how fast they can ride, or where they can pass, or how much ACC they should pay?

Just wondering is all.

You mean like now or worse?

[Ronin]

You mean like now or worse?

Anytime. I have any number of people who will attest to me not being fussy.

[Conquiztador]

Just get Nick Smith to set a system in place where a child has to be pre-funded before you can have him/her. I understand that the average cost for a child is $250,000 until they are 18 years old. So if you haven't got that in the bank, sorry you are not having a kid!

[mashman]

To play Devil's advocate. How many people who would quite cheerfully have the state in one way or another control the ability of people on the benefit to have children were unhappy when, the state told them they how they could or couldn't discipline their own kids? Or how fast they can ride, or where they can pass, or how much ACC they should pay?

Just wondering is all.

To play Devil's advocate: What's that got to do with me? But if they ain't earning... they shouldn't be allowed to have children!

Somebody think about the children...

[Number One]

most generalizations refer to the mother, not to the father that has abandoned some of them.

This bit here is the bit that gets me. I am the product of a 'randy old fuck everything that moves without any protection and then fuck off leaving solo mums in his wake'...I refer to him as my sperm donor as that is the most thought he ever gave to any of his 'kids'. In total there are 5 'half-brothers and sisters to four women. He only has any contact with one of them yet he knew about us all and even fucked around our adoptions to the real fathers in our lives.

NONE of the solo mums I know and are friends with are bludging breeding stations. I have only ever 'heard' of these skanks...actually no - check that I recall one...who is now solo but wasn't when I knew her....though clearly she was working on it

Seriously though - I take my hat off to all the solo mums I know - I fear that I wouldn't have half the strength and persistence of some of them and their kids are better cared for than some kids with two parents!

Reality is that there is scum in all forms - perhaps we should change the direction of the thread and bash some other hated oxygen wasting losers?

[Argyle]

The idea of benefits is that we are all true to ourselves, where everybody does the right thing. I think at some stage this worked in the -50s and -60s but no more, people become greedy, lazy and fat.

As long as my ass is covered it’s all good, we often hear:
- I don't care.

This attitude - I don't care is a pest through society, if we all worked hard, did the right thing then the ones who really did need some help with like a benefit could get it.

In Sweden the welfare was based on one simple saying,
- We believe in a society where everybody does the right thing.....
It's all gone now, and there needs to be a change.

Happening in all the welfare states I'm afraid!
Most terrifying is that the ones who should really not get kids, they are the ones who get them and the people who do the right thing they don’t get a kid because they think it’s too expensive on the household.

[Conquiztador]

Yep. The future is looking bright:

The unskilled lower class are having all the kids...

[Slyer]

http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/...acy-Intro.html
Exactly.

[avgas]

The idea of benefits is that we are all true to ourselves, where everybody does the right thing. I think at some stage this worked in the -50s and -60s but no more, people become greedy, lazy and fat.

As long as my ass is covered it’s all good, we often hear:
- I don't care.
This attitude - I don't care is a pest through society, if we all worked hard, did the right thing then the ones who really did need some help with like a benefit could get it.
In Sweden the welfare was based on one simple saying,
- We believe in a society where everybody does the right thing......

Errr just to correct you there. If we all did the right thing. There would be no benefit system.
I have worked with a lot of people that are considered "impeded", and they still can work. So I see no need for a benefit system at all.
Look at India - shit load of people doing ANYTHING they can for work. China is the same.
Having hand me downs never fixes anything. But then again - how do you promote pride in a few million losers.

[Dave Lobster]

how do you promote pride in a few million losers.

Throw them a ball to play with.

[avgas]

Throw them a ball to play with.

Oh that's a bit harsh, in there defence, the ball isn't round - so it does require some skill to use......just not employable skills

[Dave Lobster]

Oh that's a bit harsh, in there defence, the ball isn't round - so it does require some skill to use......just not employable skills

It was a basket ball I had in mind..

[Skyryder]

Spend a day on the busses. Better still get a job as a bus driver. Until then ya got nothin' to complain about.

Mind you there is an alternitive. They are just practising there sports riding attitude.


Skyryder