MNZ Annual General Meeting

[ellipsis]

Who was whining, again Billy if you read the first post ,its aquestion. Do you wanna run our club...

[k14]

All the same,You have tried too make MNZ look bad by failing too mention they knew nothing of your plans. All theyve done is inform everybody of their intentions.Pity you couldnt have done the same before whining about it on a public forum.

Yes it seems as though that is the case. Jim Tuckerman however didn't help the cause with his sarcastic and fairly demeaning reply. I fail to see how his reply is constructive to the cause of MNZ, not something I like to see from a person I helped vote into the positon quite frankly!

[Billy]

No,I dont want too run your club,Ive been a club official and MNZ steward in the past (Probably long before your involvement in the sport).But I dont see how shitstirring on a public forum is going too solve anything,A considered request directly too MNZ would be far more effective and yes Kirk,Jims response was direct and sarcastic but A.That is Jim,Too the point and blunt,But you will notice he did it directly in response and B you can see from the email directed at MNZ in Bren ch chs post the sort of shit they have too put up with on a daily basis.If youve got a concern regarding MNZ,Then take it up with them not KB

[scrivy]

Don't ya just love KB!

Feel free to speak your mind - but just don't upset anyone!!

[Bren_chch]

50/50 - I can see the point in the cams/bears email.

The email response from MNZ was unprofessional and so what if they get shit like this most weeks, they cause most of the issues lol! Oh and to top it off there is a threat to review the relationship between cams/bears and MNZ. nice.

Whats wrong with this being posted on KB, its racing related. The original post was to see if anyone else had permits for that weekend.


bah!

[Billy]

Whats wrong with it being posted on KB??Is KB now the official site for all club secretaries too gather information regarding MNZ ?NO its not and never will be.Any club official with an ounce of commonsense would not comment on club affairs on a public forum,As has been displayed by the Vic club when people request info on the winter series on this very site.

[Bren_chch]

Is that really an answer?

Whats wrong with it being posted on KB when the clubs concerned had already contacted MNZ. This forum is for discussing racing related topics, is it not?

[Kemet]

50/50 - I can see the point in the cams/bears email.

The email response from MNZ was unprofessional and so what if they get shit like this most weeks, they cause most of the issues lol! Oh and to top it off there is a threat to review the relationship between cams/bears and MNZ. nice.

doesn't sound like threatening so much as they were pointing out that CAMS and BEARS may be shooting themselves in the foot here too.

Complaints were being made about how MNZ was being run/organised, yet the two clubs affilliated with mnz have failed to send representatives to the mnz agm - where it sounds like part of the agreement to remain affilliated is to show up at AGMs.

so not so much a threat as putting out the question, "are you guys [cams, bears] actually any better than us [mnz] in being organised properly"
or a "don't point out my faults if you aren't going to address your own" kind of deal.

Lesson to learn here:
Careful with the shit-slinging if you haven't made sure you're squeaky clean yourself, or at least open about your own faults....

[Kemet]

MNZ has decided no permits will be issued for the weekend of 22nd/ 23rd May as they have changed their AGM date to this weekend.Just wondering what clubs other than us ,CAMS and Canterbury are affected (in a most detrimental way too)

just a wee reminder of the original post seeing as a few have asked/commented....

[fuknKIWI]

No,I dont want too run your club,Ive been a club official and MNZ steward in the past (Probably long before your involvement in the sport).But I dont see how shitstirring on a public forum is going too solve anything,A considered request directly too MNZ would be far more effective and yes Kirk,Jims response was direct and sarcastic but A.That is Jim,Too the point and blunt,But you will notice he did it directly in response and B you can see from the email directed at MNZ in Bren ch chs post the sort of shit they have too put up with on a daily basis.If youve got a concern regarding MNZ,Then take it up with them not KB

On what basis do you make that assumption Billy boy?
Clearly it's not an informed one.
So you think that CAMS sec is "taking it up with KB" (another ill informed assumption).
KB is a public forum, this is the Racing page of that so it's entirely apropriate for the sec to post here.
How petty can you and your ilk get?
To put things in a chronolgical context CAMS sec was the very first person to take posession of a BEARS T-shirt where were you in '83?

[ellipsis]

Hold The Bus! Getting away from it all here, it'd be cool to let it go at, I asked a racing related question on KB , to MNZ members who you would assume to be numerous on these pages, about how they feel about any meeting they may thought they were riding in on the weekend, 22/23 May if there were to be no permits issued. We dont apply for a permit til 6 weeks out from a meeting, a month before the 14 days minimum notice, our practice , always has been, probably wont change. We are an open club, have no secrets, in fact just the opposite, we promote motorcycles, we are proactive in generating young riders to the sport and we only do it for fun or because we've done it that long we dont know how to stop. We kicked MNZ , they kicked us, VIVA, we certainly are not squeaky clean, and Im not going to go near the governing bodies faults: I suppose the lesson for me in this one is that, I should direct my racing related questions to another forum, Womens Weekly maybe?

[suzuki21]

On what basis do you make that assumption Billy boy?
Clearly it's not an informed one.
So you think that CAMS sec is "taking it up with KB" (another ill informed assumption).
KB is a public forum, this is the Racing page of that so it's entirely apropriate for the sec to post here.
How petty can you and your ilk get?
To put things in a chronolgical context CAMS sec was the very first person to take posession of a BEARS T-shirt where were you in '83?

Billy was allready racing for a few years before 1983. He probably didnt go to the BEARS meeting because he thought there was no stigma attached to racing in a class made just so a Bears bike could finally win something.

[jellywrestler]

racing in a class made just so a Bears bike could finally win something.

Hey that's a bit harsh on BEARS racing. It's a well known fact that BEARS racing was the brainchild of a t-shirt company who had a large order of black t-shirts cancelled and wanted to get rid of them...

[dangerous]

All the same,You have tried too make MNZ look bad by failing too mention they knew nothing of your plans. All theyve done is inform everybody of their intentions.Pity you couldnt have done the same before whining about it on a public forum.

Take your time and reread... Cams Sec has passed no such info on he asked a bloody question, the quote that Bren posted is a personal email to MNZ FROM "Rob and Lynne Attrill" and yes a bit OTT... NOT signed by CAMS nor indorsed by Cams Sec

Yes it seems as though that is the case. Jim Tuckerman however didn't help the cause with his sarcastic and fairly demeaning reply. I fail to see how his reply is constructive to the cause of MNZ, not something I like to see from a person I helped vote into the positon quite frankly!

Note: K14 the above by me... and YES I agree very unprofesional reply not well none by such a big governing body.

Ive been a club official and MNZ steward in the past (Probably long before your involvement in the sport).But I dont see how shitstirring on a public forum bla bla bla...

man, you do seem to have bit of a chip on the old sholder dont ya

[fossil]

Did you see this reply CAMsec?


This reply from the MZN president says that permits were not applied for, is this correct?

Hard to argue with the response from Jim Tuckerman. As always blunt , factual and to the point and quite reserved considering the email he was responding to.
I have read this thread a number of times and it appears to me that MNZ aren't clairvoyant and rely on information being passed onto them from which to make decisions. Of more concern is that it appears that some member clubs of MNZ are attempting to be free loaders on the back of those who actively work and contribute to make the organisation better. If you don't contibute you really have no right to complain.
Scott411 is right in that permits were issued to clubs who had delegates attending last years AGM