Peter Bethune / Sea Shepherd - possible long holiday in Japan

[oldrider]

clearly Bethune believed that the boarding is the lesser of the two and he acted accordingly. On this issue I will say that there was some ‘dramatics’ designed to attract the media attention, Skyryder

So, he knew what he was doing could mean go to jail, OK, so off he goes!

Big deal, he obviously didn't understand the meaning of my signature!

[Skyryder]

So, he knew what he was doing could mean go to jail, OK, so off he goes!

Big deal, he obviously didn't understand the meaning of my signature!

Absolutely OR. There is however two issues here.

One as prvously mentioned is that if you are going to knowingly break the law you have to accept the cosequences. That is equally applicable in this instance as it is with speeding.

Howeve when it comes to protest action of a nature that we are debating about the secondary factor is the media. Protesters use the media to their own ends as do politicans and PR people.

Bethune and people in association problay sat down and looked at the implications. First and foremost on their mind would have been th3 media response. Reguadless of for or against the 'boarding' initself was a minor action it's the detinment and arrest that will keep this thing alive and that is the purpose of this event.

One thing that has been overlooked is the fact that the AG was a NZ registered vessel. As a seaman you know as well as I that any 'attack' or deliberte damage is the same as if the atack or damgae was carried out on NZ soil. A registered vessel carries with it the 'sovereignty' of the country that it is regestered to.

Key and McCully have made no public statements in response to the ramming and McCully has virtually disowned a fellow kiwi for attmepting to serve papers that this government should have done as of right.

I see little differance in the deliberate ramming of NZ registered vessel as agaisnt the bombing of th Rainbow Warrior and this Governments attitude can only be desribed as cowardly.


Skyryder

Skyryder

[avgas]

Sorry for stating the obvious here. But what did Pete hope to achieve on the Shonan Maru II? SS themselves said it was a pointless mission.

[Mully]

Sorry for stating the obvious here. But what did Pete hope to achieve on the Shonan Maru II? SS themselves said it was a pointless mission.

How dare you!!

He was presenting the captain with an invoice for the replacement value of his little boat. And undertaking a citizen's arrest, IIRC.

The invoice is the bit that amuses me the most:
"Here's an invoice for my little boat what sank"
"Terribly sorry about that, old chap. Let me grab my chequebook" (this Japanese captain is British too)

I think it's more on the lines of "any publicity is good publicity"

(BTW, did you see the NZ Diplomat in Tokyo(?) who accepted the petition from the Japanese protestors - and notice her recoil when the bloke tried to give her a can of whale meat? Awesome)

[kwaka_crasher]

One thing that has been overlooked is the fact that the AG was a NZ registered vessel. As a seaman you know as well as I that any 'attack' or deliberate damage is the same as if the attack or damage was carried out on NZ soil. A registered vessel carries with it the 'sovereignty' of the country that it is registered to.

Good that you point this out. Buffoon boarded a foreign vessel which is foreign territory. Hence he was rightly arrested as he was in a foreign jurisdiction.

The Japanese never boarded any vessel unlawfully. The damage occurred in international waters. NZ does not have jurisdiction.

[Swoop]

It appears Bethune's situation is getting a lot of media time in japan. Possibly a good thing and exactly what he expected when boarding the jap slaughter "research" ship.

[Skyryder]

Good that you point this out. Buffoon boarded a foreign vessel which is foreign territory. Hence he was rightly arrested as he was in a foreign jurisdiction.

The Japanese never boarded any vessel unlawfully. The damage occurred in international waters. NZ does not have jurisdiction.

As per usual you have no idea what you are on about
From
http://www.maritimenz.govt.nz/Commer...ew-Zealand.asp

Ship registration provides nationality. For some ships it is compulsory to be registered. For others it is voluntary. Find out about the New Zealand Register of Ships and where to start to register your ship.
When a ship registered in New Zealand travels overseas, its registration gives it the protection of the New Zealand Government. This is in much the same way as a New Zealand citizen is protected while travelling overseas. The ship’s registration papers provide proof of identity like a passport does for a person.

Seems pretty clear to me that NZ does have jurisdiction but John (don’t bother me I’m on holiday…….again) Key does not have the balls to even speak out in defence of a fellow citizen and his vessel. But this is not surprising...............this government is not for New Zealanders but overseas interests as Keys statements on this issue show.

Skyryder

[kwaka_crasher]

As per usual you have no idea what you are on about

That's funny coming from some clown who can't tell the difference between the Articles of the International Convention on the Regulation of Whaling showing that the Japanese whaling is entirely lawful and the rant on some halfwit hippies site without any evidence claiming the contrary.

From
http://www.maritimenz.govt.nz/Commer...ew-Zealand.asp

Ship registration provides nationality. For some ships it is compulsory to be registered. For others it is voluntary. Find out about the New Zealand Register of Ships and where to start to register your ship.
When a ship registered in New Zealand travels overseas, its registration gives it the protection of the New Zealand Government. This is in much the same way as a New Zealand citizen is protected while travelling overseas. The ship’s registration papers provide proof of identity like a passport does for a person.

Seems pretty clear to me that NZ does have jurisdiction but John (don’t bother me I’m on holiday…….again) Key does not have the balls to even speak out in defence of a fellow citizen and his vessel. But this is not surprising...............this government is not for New Zealanders but overseas interests as Keys statements on this issue show.

Where does it say that in the event of a coillision in international waters, the laws of one vessel's registered nation apply in precedence to a the other vessel registered in a different nation?

I'll tell you where: no-fucking-where. That's where.

You'd think the last bit might have given you a hint, but no. Having a foreign passport does not mean you're exempt from the laws of the nation in which you reside.

[Tank]

you have lost the point (again).

He is being done for trespass - because - he trespassed.

He could have given the papers and left (as he was given the option) - but he refused to leave.

Its a fair cop - regardless of any other views one might hold in regard to his entitlement to serve papers etc.

He rolled the dice - He now gets to take accountability. Fucken brilliant. Again - Im hoping he gets the max number of years and shares a cell with a whale eating, sumo wrestler who has a fetish for white boys.

[puddytat]

Fucken brilliant. Again - Im hoping he gets the max number of years and shares a cell with a whale eating, sumo wrestler who has a fetish for white boys.

See I think thats what he wanted all along, to get in at ground level & to work with these poor whale eating washed up Sumo wrestlers & white boy fetishists & while there also work on the panty sniffing bukkake covered Yakusa types who got caught out corrupting the politicians & the politicians in there as well......
They never apologised for the WAR either.

[Tank]

They never apologised for the WAR either.

It could be a good conversation opener with his cellmate.

[Bald Eagle]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10631640

A New Zealand anti-whaling activist has been arrested after the Japanese whaling ship he boarded in February docked in Tokyo today.

Peter Bethune, of the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society, climbed aboard the Shonan Maru II with the intention of making a citizen's arrest of the ship's captain for what he claimed was the attempted murder of his crew.

Bethune's powerboat, the Ady Gil, was sliced in two when it collided with the Japanese ship in January.

The arrest, reported by Sky News, would see Bethune charged with trespassing. If convicted he faces three years in prison or a maximum fine of 100,000 yen.



I hope he gets the 3 years!

I thought they had a rope and a plank for pirates, since when do they just offer them a pay now deal or a nice warm bed for a couple of years holiday.

[kwaka_crasher]

It could be a good conversation opener with his cellmate.

Yeah, that should break the ice nicely. Along with his legs.

[Skyryder]

That's funny coming from some clown who can't tell the difference between the Articles of the International Convention on the Regulation of Whaling showing that the Japanese whaling is entirely lawful and the rant on some halfwit hippies site without any evidence claiming the contrary.



Where does it say that in the event of a coillision in international waters, the laws of one vessel's registered nation apply in precedence to a the other vessel registered in a different nation?

I'll tell you where: no-fucking-where. That's where.

You'd think the last bit might have given you a hint, but no. Having a foreign passport does not mean you're exempt from the laws of the nation in which you reside.

No point in going down that road again so I 'won't,' but no doubt you will come up with the usual codswallop of what constitutes lawful.

You claimed that NZ has no jurisdiction over the AG. It does as I have demonstrated. For you to rehash an old arguement in defence of you own ineptitude defies belief but then your arguements on this issue are based on the websites and not on the content.

Keep trying.........................ya might get lucky and catch me on an off day.


Skyyrder

[davereid]

The japs may play the blame game.

They now have the skipper of the boat they claim to be responsible for the collision of the two ships in custody.

If I was the jap prosecutor I would just charge him with the incident, and remand him in custody till it gets sorted.

It will take years until our dozy marine department reach a conclusion, and if it doesn't go the japs way, they will just appeal.

Win or lose, Mr. Bethune gets to learn japanese for free.