Mining and Labour trying to fuck it

[Tank]

And look what they did to muscle cars!
Bastards...

and what did they give us - fucken hybrids.....shudder...

[peasea]

BOT.

I don't think there's any harm in having a look for mineral wealth in a lot of places. Trouble is; when the miners find a spot that looks promising the greenfreaks leap up and down and go on about how pristine the place is. Never mind nobody knew it was there, let alone go there for any reason. It's like the Clyde and Benmore dams; big fuss at the time but ultimately it's a reality of human existence, we had to build them and other dams like them. Whats a few holes and pile of tailings here and there?

It's not like they're going to dig open mines the size of Lake Taupo everywhere is it?

Ya gotta break eggs to make omlettes.

[peasea]

and what did they give us - fucken hybrids.....shudder...

Did you see the episode of Top Gear when they pitched a Prius against a V8 BMW to see which one used the most gas?
Fuckin' funny.

[Tank]

Ya gotta break eggs to make omlettes.

[Ixion]

... There's some fantastic restorative work going on in the southern Coromande too which doesn't hit the headlines because it's not sensationalistl. .. Simply leaving riches in the ground if they can be extracted with minimal environmental impact doesn't make economic sense.

Who's paying for it? And how do you restore all the little beasties and such that fled when it all turned to shit?

I'm the world's most ungreenie person, but I can't see that the New Zealand citizen is getting bugger all out of this.

All very well saying it doesn't make economic sense to leave riches in the ground, but it won't be US that will be getting the riches when they're extracted, it'll be a bunch of foreigners, laughing all the way to the bank. Whilst *we* get to inherit the "Minimal environmental impact".

And the "minimal" is always understated. It's not just the big holes in the ground. And it's not even just the big holes, and the tailings dumps, or the contaminated streams on the site. It's the land miles downstream where those streams have ended up. And the eddy pools where those contaminants have accumulated. Mining company is not going to restore that, it's outside their lease area. And it's the birds that have fled, because they get scared off their nests by all the machinery operating. The world's just a huge card house, pull one card out and there's no knowing how much ends up falling down. And 90% of what falls down we don't see, or even know about, maybe for centuries. Not even then, because the folk then wouldn't know what it might have been if it had not been poisoned. And it's the fact that while all this mining is going on , great stretchs of that conservation area will be off limits to New Zealanders, because of OSH and such like. And the trucks on the road (bad enough now around Coromandel with the logging trucks).

And we, you and I, get what exactly for accepting all that shit?

[DidJit]

Tell me Prime Minister, tell me if you will,
How many people benefit from Conservation Mines?
How much richer will the few be?
The Assassin says, we don't miss an opportunity.

Fire, fire, fire, light up ya lighter,
Fire, fire, fire!

[oldrider]

Agreed - there are old mine shafts within a few hundred metres of our house and sticking to the established bush paths is a sensible precaution if you don't want to vanish without trace. There's no doubt that the old extraction techniques damaged the environment but modern mining techniques have a much lower environmental footprint. There's some fantastic restorative work going on in the southern Coromande too which doesn't hit the headlines because it's not sensationalistl. Trouble is, it's almost impossible to get a balanced view as opposing parties both have rabid (and not entirely truthful) views. Living in the Coromandel, I'm not opposed to miniing PROVIDED it's done in a strictly controlled manner. Simply leaving riches in the ground if they can be extracted with minimal environmental impact doesn't make economic sense.

Isn't that what the resource management act is really all about?

Safeguarding our environment but still utilising the resource's

The trouble is that the Labour party and their "green" Luddite mates stuffed the resource management act up so much that it chokes off everything, so that nothing ever gets done!

All that I have heard suggested is opening some DOC land for investigation any positive initiative will be subject to gaining consents in the normal manner!

FFS, enough of the emotional claptrap and let things go through the correct channels and then have your gripes on fact instead of fiction!

DOC are controlling more than a third of the country and have it all locked up tight and are creating a bloody great fire risk or poisoning everything!

And they call that environmental management! Fuck me, the lunatics are running the asylum!

[mashman]

Bringing in how much?

The $160 billion quoted is a figure pulled out of his arse.....errr, the air by a mining rep as an estimate - all surveys so far show about $3bill of assets, of which the government get fuck all anyway - around $300 mill! The royalties aren't very high. That's when they aren't subsidising the mining companies to find something!

How about opening up areas OUTSIDE national parks for mining exploration!

You really are a idiot.

So let me get this right. They want to test and then mine for minerals. To do that they'll take publicly owned land, paid for and maintained by John Q, and let someone mine it, or worse, sell it on to make a buck (will we see any of that... nada). Why aren't they using privately owned land? Is it because privately owned land isn't free (the owner would want a cut)? and then who gets the proceeds? have you ever seen what happens to a mining community when there's nothing left to mine (lots of it all of the UK in the 70's, but money came from somewhere to save the day)? Upshot Camel Nose Under Tent... If it's that non invasive, do it somewhere else and then build on it later, or line what's left and use it as a giant water source.

[peasea]

And we, you and I, get what exactly for accepting all that shit?

Um, less trees?

Ergo, less tree huggers!

Yay.

[SPman]

It's 'an idiot'.

Idiot.

I cut and pasted from your post!

Snap!

[Skyryder]

Go Trev............................tell the Mining companies to go and get fucked if they come here and fuck our parks.

No wonder Key wanted to be Tourism Minister.............anyone else would be up and down like a yo yo. There are 'Heritage' issues here guys. You know that thing that makes us Kiwis and proud of the country that we live in.

And do ya realy want to go on the Coro loop and run into somebig mining truck or some'it.


Skyryder

[JimO]

personally i think its a great idea, everybody wants a efficient health/education system, everybody wants a good lifestyle in their old age, nobody wants to pay more tax, unlocking our mineral wealth makes sense the gummit could structure it so we dont get robbed by some overseas mining company, of course labour dont want it but wernt they the ones that lumbered us taxpayers with the rail at a ridiculous price and whyle i at it cut the long term beneficiaries if they aint looking for work fuck them they can live under a bridge and eat grass

[JimO]

Go Trev............................tell the Mining companies to go and get fucked if they come here and fuck our parks.

No wonder Key wanted to be Tourism Minister.............anyone else would be up and down like a yo yo. There are 'Heritage' issues here guys. You know that thing that makes us Kiwis and proud of the country that we live in.

And do ya realy want to go on the Coro loop and run into somebig mining truck or some'it.


Skyryder

i knew comrade skyrider would be agin it.......bet he wont want to give up his benefit either

[DidJit]

Hmmm, shall we put the cat amongst the pigeons?...

Just another theory to consider.

[Blackbird]

Trying to rationally answer your questions, which I'm sure are rhetorical:

Who's paying for it? And how do you restore all the little beasties and such that fled when it all turned to shit?

Actually, Newmont Mining are paying for a lot of the restoration in the Waihi area, including fauna. I'm not an ecologist, so haven't a clue about the mechanics of it.

I'm the world's most ungreenie person, but I can't see that the New Zealand citizen is getting bugger all out of this.

All very well saying it doesn't make economic sense to leave riches in the ground, but it won't be US that will be getting the riches when they're extracted, it'll be a bunch of foreigners, laughing all the way to the bank. Whilst *we* get to inherit the "Minimal environmental impact".

Local labour, communities and infrastructure get the benefits and at a national level, there are licencing royalties and so on. I think you're being a bit disingenuous Les! There are very few pure NZ organisations that would be wholly NZ-owned and these are no different from mining organisations in that some money goes offshore. And that includes the company that you hold a senior position in! Owned by Danone (France) until October 2008, then bought by Suntory (Japan) for $1.3 bn. That's international commerce for you since international commerce started. The mining industry is no different surely?