Child maintenance

[civil]

You do not need a lawer to take a matter to Family Court, or any court for that matter.

I have only ever asked one question of IR "why do I have to pay?". I have never had a satisfactory answer and so I have never paid them a cent !!! It dose not make them go away but has made me re-strucutre my affairs in such a way that they can not get to it. However most people are not willing to do what is required. It is easier to bend over and just take whats coming. Sort of like the ACC. How many have stopped licencing their bikes?

[2wheeldrifter]

You do not need a lawer to take a matter to Family Court, or any court for that matter.

I have only ever asked one question of IR "why do I have to pay?". I have never had a satisfactory answer and so I have never paid them a cent !!! It dose not make them go away but has made me re-strucutre my affairs in such a way that they can not get to it. However most people are not willing to do what is required. It is easier to bend over and just take whats coming. Sort of like the ACC. How many have stopped licencing their bikes?

Not sure if I get what your sayiing Civil, you are paying nothing towards your kids? IRD is just sending you nasty letters?
Why do you have to pay!? it's your legal obligation to support your kids that's why!

The IRD can overrule any court, a writen agreemet passed through the lawyers can be overruled by the IRD....... Once she goes to the IRD, any writen agreement is gone. It's good for falling back on when the shit hit's the fan and you need the police or who ever to enforce what the other isn't doing because it's down on paper. My agreement that was writen up by us and our lawyers..... meant didly shit once she went to the IRD.

So guys with writen agreements... if you really piss her off and think your safe, your not!

[Mudfart]

My way of supporting my kids is thinking of their financial future.
See my monster in law, and missus love pokies. Every floating cent goes on it. If I was to pay CS to them, the kids would be walking to school in barefeet with no lunches every day.
My money is being put where my kids can get it when I die and they are old enough to get right the fuck away from the idiots.
Its an investment in their future, the court will never order them to stay off the pokies.

[davebullet]

If the IRD are creaming the "adminstration component" if there is any - I don't know - by that much then something is wrong. I'd recommend anyone in that situation to follow it up. You can opt to have IRD execute a private agreement which allows for more than the salary capped approx $2,000 payment.

I pay privately. I am lucky in that Mum keeps the kids in good condition and has no nasty habits making me feel my money is going elsewhere. Sadly, I think our relationship for managing this is the exception rather than the norm.

[kwaka_crasher]

If the IRD are creaming the "adminstration component" if there is any - I don't know - by that much then something is wrong. I'd recommend anyone in that situation to follow it up. You can opt to have IRD execute a private agreement which allows for more than the salary capped approx $2,000 payment.

I pay privately. I am lucky in that Mum keeps the kids in good condition and has no nasty habits making me feel my money is going elsewhere. Sadly, I think our relationship for managing this is the exception rather than the norm.

You can only bypass IRD if the cutodial parent is not on a benefit. Otherwise, you pay based on income and the custodial parent gets paid at the applicable rates regardless of what you contribute.

[Winston001]

I'm more interested to know why there is such a huge discrepancy between what IRD charges a person and what their ex-partner receives.

Ok, as a general rule, liable parents pay much less than the domestic purposes benefit. The DPB is calculated by WINZ and whoever is in government to provide a subsistence living for one parent and children. Its a lot more than most liable parents are able to pay. The discrepancy is made up by you and I - the taxpayers.

[Katman]

Ok, as a general rule, liable parents pay much less than the domestic purposes benefit. The DPB is calculated by WINZ and whoever is in government to provide a subsistence living for one parent and children. Its a lot more than most liable parents are able to pay. The discrepancy is made up by you and I - the taxpayers.

Not quite on the same wavelength, methinks.

The example of my mate (who is definately not in arrears or paying penalties) who pays IRD $600 per month while his ex receives $380...........

Who's pocketing the other $220 per month?

[Drew]

When I first split up with my ex I paid more per week, than she got in total. And I mean total. It's fuckin wrong when there are guys on the dole paying ten dollars a week per kid, and their EX gets more.

Essentially I was payin child support for a bunch of kids that weren't mine.

[Katman]

Essentially I was payin child support for a bunch of kids that weren't mine.

Are you sure they weren't?

[Laava]

My mate John was in this position. When they separated, he had to pay a huge amount to Winz, as he is a big earner, which was far more than she was paid by them. He tried to make an arrangement with her but she was ex winz and deliberately did it to fuck him over. Sounds very petty doesn't it esp as she is the loser both financially and socially as her daughter thinks she is a bitch as do most, if not all, of their mutual friends. This happened about 8yrs ago.

[Mudfart]

hey guys, if I move to Oz do I still have to pay? How about England, I got a UK passport? Would changing my name by deedpoll in the new country help? All else fails, french foreign legion? Canada?

[Mudfart]

oh yeah if your sure the kids arent yours, go get a DNA test done, it costs like 4-600 bucks, but once you can prove it, take it to a court and get all your money back!

[rustic101]

There are virtually hundreds of reciprocal agreements between NZ and other countries. In cases that do not IR place an Attachment Order with Customs for Boarder Alerts. In short you will be detained on arrival or departure and 'forced' to cough up or make an arrangement.

[Maki]

I believe the current child support formula maxs out at a little over $2000 per month. There is a formula thet takes the liable parent's salary, subtracts a basic living allowance (around $14000), then applies a percetnage to the remainder depending on the number of children. For the purpose of applying this formula there is a maximum salary of around $105,000. However this story is common.

When I was paying child support for my 3 kids (a few years ago now), the IRD were taking $1200 per month and my ex was receiving $450. I suggested to my ex that we come to a private arrangement whereby I would pay her $900 a month directly, and take over all of the 3 kids school and medical costs. She refused to even consider a private agreement. So the goverrnment ripped me off and paid her a pittance.

She should be shot for pig headed stupidity. Good riddance.

[Pascal]

ahhh...but you generalise based on what? Who is to say raising children isnt a job? A nanny is employed as a nanny to rise someones' children at a cost of average $350.00 per week based on a friend of mine's income for nannying for 30hours per week

Taking care of kids is hard work and required dedication. I can't argue that, I've seen how much some days can take out of my wife. My thought is this. The nanny is paid by somebody who has chosen to pay her wages. Can the same be said of everyone on the DPB? Or how about this. I work my ass off, 10 to 16 hours a day for six days a week. Yeah, it's not child care. But I rarely get to see mine because I'm working to earn a living so my family can have a roof over their heads and whatever they need. I know that I sure as hell can't afford a 2010 Ninja. Something about that just annoys me a little.