Mining and Labour trying to fuck it

[mashman]

http://www.economist.com/world/inter...ry_id=15763381


Skyryder

"New Zealand... Come and see it before it's all gone".

[Woodman]

Why hello, take a look around you, what you have claimed would happen because of mining, is exactly what has happened by "dairy expansion" and "wine expansion"!

Mining will be much more stringently controlled because of the hysteria, while the wine and dairy juggernaut rolls merrily unchecked on their destructive way!

Either way, I want to carry on enjoying the lifestyle I have enjoyed for the past 70 years and hope for the same for my grand children too, it didn't come easy, there may be some sacrifices required but you still have to move forward.

Don't disagree with you at all, and of course I want everyone to have the lifestyle we have now, well us here in NZ anyway, we won't mention the third world countries. What I was trying to say is that it is not sustainable at the rate we are going. Progress by mining, fishing,intensive dairy farming, stripping rain forests etc is not necessarily going forward. There is a cost to the environment that just can't be undone.

BTW sorry I rode straight past your coffe kiosk in January.

[mashman]

I hear that John,amazed theres a thread about mining but cant ever recall seeing one about the fucking dairy farmers (xcuse the language but they really do fuck me off) and what there doing. I am certainly no greenie but down here in Waitaki the continual sucking our rivers dry and replacing the water with shit is well past a joke.Went for a wander with the dog out at Gemmels crossing awhile back,bugger all water and what there was i wouldnt drink,down stream a bit i came across yet another irrigation system being fed directly from the river.Local residents lose the use of a beautiful river to ensure another dairy farmer gets his payout,had to chuckle at Fonterras disappointment over 3 hundred millon less than they expected but still able to offer the same payout to the farmer,anyone pissed off about the price of cheese.

I'm just pissed of with it all... it's everywhere you turn... it's resource management at its worst... zero planning, more $$$... we'll fix it later... she'll be right!

[pete376403]

As I've said earlier, simply look across the Tasman for the proof. Most Australians never go near a mine yet their economy has boomed for 30 years compared with NZ. It really is the lucky country.

I'm also not sure why we get excited by potential keyhole-surgery type mining on the conservation estate when there is plenty of existing mining on other parts of NZ land. Aren't our hills and pastures valuable parts of our environment too?

The returns of the proposed "keyhole-surgery" type mining are so small there's really no point. Australia gets the big returns because they go for digging up the country and shipping it to China, India and New Zealand (Queensland bauxite to comalco) on an enormous scale. But I'll bet they aren't doing it in their National Parks

[oldrider]

BTW sorry I rode straight past your coffe kiosk in January.

Did you come across the Black Forrest track? (and you didn't call in!)

Well, I came up to your territory in 2007 and bought my new (then) bike at "Thunderbikes".

Don't remember you complaining about me not calling in to see you!

[Sach]

Ok, I am speaking here as a person who moved into a mining town knowing nothing about it and have ended up with a job that entails taking people around the current mining operations that Newmont has in Waihi. Yes they have a huge Hole in the middle of town but this is not the future of mining in NZ. There are restrictions of noise, dust and Vibrations in place that are hard to work under and its not the practical way these days. Favona which the current under ground mine in waihi is based in the base of Gladstone Hill which is in waihi. the portal is 5 x 5 and you would never know it existed if you had not heard about it or seen it when on the mine site. Current underground mining doesn't leave open shafts and voids in the land as they take all the waste rock ( rock that contans no gold or silver in this case) back under to back fill which means there is no need to have mass waste rock embankments . Newmont are very open to the public and the media have done the whole scaring people thing by showing shots of martha mine ( the huge open pit) when ever mining is mentioned. This is because it is easily accessable and close to Auckland and is dramatic ...

As for the toxic tailings well I urge you to come on a tour and actually see what is at the top of the tailings embankment here....There are birds and the first inland breeding area for the NZ dotterel. You could drink the water ( full of duck shit)... come see what modern mining is about before you dismiss the idea it is not about fucking our land thats for sure....

[oldrider]

The returns of the proposed "keyhole-surgery" type mining are so small there's really no point. Australia gets the big returns because they go for digging up the country and shipping it to China, India and New Zealand (Queensland bauxite to comalco) on an enormous scale. But I'll bet they aren't doing it in their National Parks

DOC are already flat out "poisoning" our National Parks right now and that's OK is it?

There will be very strong control on any future mining activity, besides, there are already mines in the parks now!

They were there under the Labour governments too but they (Liabour) are not interested in the facts when they are on an political hysteria bent!

[Sach]

yes there are already 80 odd mining activites on DOC land in NZ....
Martha is Partly Doc land

[Pixie]

Mining the conservation estate is not only wrong it is an atack on the heritage values that we New Zealsnders expect all Governments to uphold.

Skyryder

Bullshit! the NZ heritage is that of harvesting whale oil to provide fuel, cutting down forests to create farms,Damming rivers to create power,Mining any viable mineral to create wealth,building railways,roads and ports to transport all this.
Study your history,not rewrite you own version

[Pixie]

Ok, I am speaking here as a person who moved into a mining town knowing nothing about it and have ended up with a job that entails taking people around the current mining operations that Newmont has in Waihi. Yes they have a huge Hole in the middle of town but this is not the future of mining in NZ. There are restrictions of noise, dust and Vibrations in place that are hard to work under and its not the practical way these days. Favona which the current under ground mine in waihi is based in the base of Gladstone Hill which is in waihi. the portal is 5 x 5 and you would never know it existed if you had not heard about it or seen it when on the mine site. Current underground mining doesn't leave open shafts and voids in the land as they take all the waste rock ( rock that contans no gold or silver in this case) back under to back fill which means there is no need to have mass waste rock embankments . Newmont are very open to the public and the media have done the whole scaring people thing by showing shots of martha mine ( the huge open pit) when ever mining is mentioned. This is because it is easily accessable and close to Auckland and is dramatic ...

As for the toxic tailings well I urge you to come on a tour and actually see what is at the top of the tailings embankment here....There are birds and the first inland breeding area for the NZ dotterel. You could drink the water ( full of duck shit)... come see what modern mining is about before you dismiss the idea it is not about fucking our land thats for sure....

The greenie/pinkos will never let the facts get in the way of good scaremongering

[T.W.R]

Bullshit! the NZ heritage is that of harvesting whale oil to provide fuel, cutting down forests to create farms,Damming rivers to create power,Mining any viable mineral to create wealth,building railways,roads and ports to transport all this.
Study your history,not rewrite you own version

You better check yours....most of those things you describe were done through the glory of the British empire....the world leaders of raping other countries to feed their own

[Pixie]

The returns of the proposed "keyhole-surgery" type mining are so small there's really no point. Australia gets the big returns because they go for digging up the country and shipping it to China, India and New Zealand (Queensland bauxite to comalco) on an enormous scale. But I'll bet they aren't doing it in their National Parks

Are you a mining engineer?
The first and most relevant parameter used to decide whether underground or opencast mining is to be used is how deep the ore seam is.
In most cases opencast is not an option because the mineral is too far underground.
Bauxite and iron ore are found in huge deposits.The minerals NZ has are,with the exception of coal and titanomagnetite,are trace deposits in small isolated reefs.

"Kakadu National Park, located in the Northern Territory of Australia, possesses within its boundaries a number of large uranium deposits. The uranium is legally owned by the Australian Government, and is sold internationally"

[Quasievil]

But I'll bet they aren't doing it in their National Parks

Yeah they are Bro, ever been to Jabiru in the northern territory, I have and its a huge mine smack in the middle of a national park

[Pixie]

You better check yours....most of those things you describe were done through the glory of the British empire....the world leaders of raping other countries to feed their own

When exactly did The british empire end and NZ INC begin.
My Uncle worked for the NZ Electricity dept.from the 1940s,not the British Empire Electricity Dept.
I've never heard of any British Empire farmed Lamb begin sent to england.
For that matter that is a pretty good delusion you've got going there.
I applaud you.:slap:

[T.W.R]

When exactly did The british empire end and NZ INC begin.
My Uncle worked for the NZ Electricity dept.from the 1940s,not the British Empire Electricity Dept.
I've never heard of any British Empire farmed Lamb begin sent to england.
For that matter that is a pretty good delusion you've got going there.
I applaud you.:slap:

pick to small items huh? BTW where did the 1st ship load of frozen lamb head too?

I like your delusion of Opencast mining too......done a few hours around haulroads & seam faces huh?