AMCC

[Robert Taylor]

All that being the case Robert that was not the point I was trying to make...Its the process, or apparent lack of. Is there no clear defined lines of appropriate actions on MNZ's behalf for this type of event happening...surely this is not an isolated incident and other riders have been suspended for dangerous riding...whats the protocol?

Im not sure excatly what the protocol is, but irrespective a danger to other riders has been removed before more damage is done. I guess if something is seen as dangerous upholding safety is fast tracked.

[SS90]

Shaun the policeman huh?

Someone has to. Clearly the sport cannot "Police" itself.

[Biggles08]

Im not sure excatly what the protocol is, but irrespective a danger to other riders has been removed before more damage is done. I guess if something is seen as dangerous upholding safety is fast tracked.

I hear what your saying but it seems a lot of this has come about by a previous bad reputation (possibly justified) on Bryce's part rather than a current list of poor riding on track. I know he's taken others out...the only one I'm actually familiar with was the Sam Love incident in which case I'm pretty sure he's (Bryce) never denied he fucked up in that case...I think he's been in similar past crashes that have been assumed he's at fault but I don't know who and when but still...After his crash with Sam Love, he slowed down considerably...enough to be dicing with me for a good half year or so through the winter series...I never had any issues with his riding despite being concerned about it and we swapped paint on a couple of occasions but all was good and fair...so I guess I'm seeing it a little from a different view point than others as I have had no untoward experiences with him to date.

I'm really more concerned with the apparent lack of procedure in this case as I know both Bryce and his father have spent a lot of time and money to get to where they were a good contender for the 600 stock production championship 2010. It just doesn't seem in the spirit of motorcycle racing NZ to wait for the day before arguably NZ's biggest motorcycling event to inform them they will not be attending and no further discussions will follow. Pretty harsh IMHO

[Bren_chch]

With all respect to both riders that you mention neither of them are very experienced. Biggles at least has the common decency to not take people out.

Biggles at least has the common decency to film it when people take him out.

[Robert Taylor]

I hear what your saying but it seems a lot of this has come about by a previous bad reputation (possibly justified) on Bryce's part rather than a current list of poor riding on track. I know he's taken others out...the only one I'm actually familiar with was the Sam Love incident in which case I'm pretty sure he's (Bryce) never denied he fucked up in that case...I think he's been in similar past crashes that have been assumed he's at fault but I don't know who and when but still...After his crash with Sam Love, he slowed down considerably...enough to be dicing with me for a good half year or so through the winter series...I never had any issues with his riding despite being concerned about it and we swapped paint on a couple of occasions but all was good and fair...so I guess I'm seeing it a little from a different view point than others as I have had no untoward experiences with him to date.

I'm really more concerned with the apparent lack of procedure in this case as I know both Bryce and his father have spent a lot of time and money to get to where they were a good contender for the 600 stock production championship 2010. It just doesn't seem in the spirit of motorcycle racing NZ to wait for the day before arguably NZ's biggest motorcycling event to inform them they will not be attending and no further discussions will follow. Pretty harsh IMHO

No, if they are out of line and endangering the safety of others then a sledgehammer blow is appropriate. Plenty of other people have spent lots of money, including those who have been on the recieving end of inconsiderate riding.

[Biggles08]

No, if they are out of line and endangering the safety of others then a sledgehammer blow is appropriate. Plenty of other people have spent lots of money, including those who have been on the recieving end of inconsiderate riding.

How is it decided he was out of line? He's denying he was out of line in this case....who's right and who's wrong? He says one thing and Scott said another thing....both opinions are valid I think and a process should be followed if this is the only reason he has been suspended...oh and its not just for this event either...he's not racing for 6 months! I have heard other witnesses to this event say a different story to those that have been on here and they said it wasn't Bryces fault (Not his Father either). This is my point. no hearing or investigation seems to have been done before this decision was made...surely they should have contacted Bryce earlier this week to at the very least hear his version of events!?!

How does MNZ have enough information to make a call on this in such a 'sledgehammer blow' without even seeking the opposing persons view? Like I said, it appears on the face of it to be a harsh approach that is being 'made up on the fly,' and not following any set out protocol.

[sidecar bob]

How does MNZ have enough information to make a call on this in such a 'sledgehammer blow' without even seeking the opposing persons view?

It seems at the moment they are quite comfortable with that arrangment.
We have the same situation with the NZ sidecar champs this year.
False entries, rounds not run, insufficent entries at closing, but theyre happy to call it a championship anyway, regardless of what the other side think.

[roadracingoldfart]

I have never met either of the riders involved in the "incident" but if there is a common pattern emerging over riding behaviour then surely some form of rider training via a race school or private track tutorial is a good idea.
I base this on the fact that hes mentioned as being a fast racer and obviously needs a bit of guidence.
If the easiest way to sort the problem is for MNZ to suspend his entry then thats fine , a verdict has been handed out.
Why not take it one step further and get him on a course to success with a bit of education. I can recall a couple of rebel racers that turned out to be quit adapt at the trophy shelf filling syndrome.
Support from within the sport is always going to be possitive thing and i would like to see a referral from MNZ to some kind
of " acceptable " rider training / mentoring.


Paul.

[fossil]

I could be wrong but I thought that Mr Meads was on probation after Manfield and having been told that any further instances would see a suspension imposed, apparently it was recommended that he seek some assistance to improve his riding technique.

[Quasievil]

Biggles at least has the common decency to film it when people take him out.

Now that is some funny shit Bren!!

The rest of it seems like a online witch hunt kinda dum in my view, if you have concerns raise it with the riders rep and officials on the day??

[Billy]

I could be wrong but I thought that Mr Meads was on probation after Manfield and having been told that any further instances would see a suspension imposed, apparently it was recommended that he seek some assistance to improve his riding technique.

Yip,100% correct and the suspension period at this stage stands at 6 months,To be reviewed.

Riders he has taken out that I know are Nick Odermatt,Sam Love and the rider involved at the trackday at Hampton Downs

[scrivy]

Just had a conversation with Bryce Meads and he said the first he knew about all this was this morning...he hadn't talked to MNZ about this incident and more importantly they hadn't talked to him about it...just called him this morning and told him he wasn't racing tomorrow mainly due to his alleged dangerous riding that happened at the track day last Monday!?

As I asked before, how many people has Meads taken out?? Please, somebody answer my question. Is it 1? 2? 3? or what??
I would also like to know, did Meads get to have a disciplinary hearing with MNZ, and did he get to voice his side of the situation? As Biggles talked to Bryce yesterday - apparantely not!
I hope Bryce appeals this decision to an appeals committee, and if he does he will still get to race this weekend.

This seems like a witch hunt alright!
Now imagine if Geoff Booth got suspended from MNZ also because of the debarcle from Hampton Downs - which was another persons fault.

If MNZ did not talk to Bryce about the issue, then that is trial by executioner. That stinks.

[scuzeme]

With all respect to both riders that you mention neither of them are very experienced. Biggles at least has the common decency to not take people out.

Gee Rob i think Shaun would take exception to you saying hes not experienced, and i guess maybe the word is "competent' as the word experiened does infer racing over an extended period of time.
In any event you are side tracking the issue, Bryce has been suspended for 6 months and hes had it to the point where hes considering not racing anymore.
To all the guys baying for blood just go right ahead and keep shitting in your nest and why are at it why dont you eat your young aswell, i dont like getting into verbals and slinging match's but i cant sit back and agree with whats happened.
What this boils down to is a young up and coming rider with some talent has been stamped on, all this does is knock the wind out of the person and inevatibly make them bitter.
Why isnt the MNZ showing some real leadership here, dont come down on the guy come along side him and put a process in place to help him with any riding issues this then becomes a constructive process rather than a fucking witch hunt.

[Billy]

Gee Rob i think Shaun would take exception to you saying hes not experienced, and i guess maybe the word is "competent' as the word experiened does infer racing over an extended period of time.
In any event you are side tracking the issue, Bryce has been suspended for 6 months and hes had it to the point where hes considering not racing anymore.
To all the guys baying for blood just go right ahead and keep shitting in your nest and why are at it why dont you eat your young aswell, i dont like getting into verbals and slinging match's but i cant sit back and agree with whats happened.
What this boils down to is a young up and coming rider with some talent has been stamped on, all this does is knock the wind out of the person and inevatibly make them bitter.
Why isnt the MNZ showing some real leadership here, dont come down on the guy come along side him and put a process in place to help him with any riding issues this then becomes a constructive process rather than a fucking witch hunt.

I dont like getting into verbals either,BUT your out of line on this one and clearly only heard half the story.

Bryce was under probation for the previous incidents and The board at MNZ decided enough was enough and stepped in and took action,Clearly the right thing to do.

Or would you rather they sat on their hands and then in the event of serious injury or death,You could bag them for that as well ??

[scrivy]

Ah yes. Good ol' KB strikes again.

I remember last year when there was a huge push on here to get a new MNZ president elected. Funny how when he's been in the job, the very same people have told me that they wished they hadn't voted for him!!

Funny how some on here have bagged Mr Meads, but won't answer my question as to how many people he's actually taken out. Now they're happy he's not racing - yet the same people want to grow our sport??

Funny how a thread gets started 1 hour before the news is broken that Bryce is suspended!

Ah yes, good ol' KB.