Do we want more road cops or less?

[Sentox]

I don't know the figures but I do know that in many European countries the cost of obtaining a license is high, the courses are tougher and for those two reasons alone you generally have more respect for the end result.

I've seen estimates around $3,000 to get through the licensing process in Germany. One Top Gear episode said Finland required six or so lessons on a skidpad to acquire your license.

Makes a difference.

[peasea]

I've seen estimates around $3,000 to get through the licensing process in Germany. One Top Gear episode said Finland required six or so lessons on a skidpad to acquire your license.

Makes a difference.

Absolutely, and there is no reason why such strategies cannot be employed in NZ. All we need is a few politicians with the balls to implement them.

[Indoo]

Will never happen in this country so long as driving is viewed as an essential human right that even our worst recidivist drunk drivers can't do wtihout.

[onearmedbandit]

Will never happen in this country so long as driving is viewed as an essential human right that even our worst recidivist drunk drivers can't do wtihout.

Agree 100%

[terbang]

Will never happen in this country so long as driving is viewed as an essential human right that even our worst recidivist drunk drivers can't do wtihout.

Well yeah it is viewed that way, but outside the main centres there is little public transport available or affordable to Joe Bloggs Kiwi. Perhaps that's why its seen this way.
Looking at recent stats comparing NZ and Aus Easter holiday road death toll surely points to something significantly wrong with us here in NZ.
However do we need beating up more or educating more?

[peasea]

Well yeah it is viewed that way, but outside the main centres there is little public transport available or affordable to Joe Bloggs Kiwi. Perhaps that's why its seen this way.
Looking at recent stats comparing NZ and Aus Easter holiday road death toll surely points to something significantly wrong with us here in NZ.
However do we need beating up more or educating more?

Depends what you drive/ride. I say beat the shit out of Lada drivers.

[scumdog]

Well yeah it is viewed that way, but outside the main centres there is little public transport available or affordable to Joe Bloggs Kiwi. Perhaps that's why its seen this way.

Bad luck for them - life ain't always fair.....

(But in short you're saying we sacrifice a few lifes each year so country bumpkins can drive??)

[Smifffy]

Well yeah it is viewed that way, but outside the main centres there is little public transport available or affordable to Joe Bloggs Kiwi. Perhaps that's why its seen this way.
Looking at recent stats comparing NZ and Aus Easter holiday road death toll surely points to something significantly wrong with us here in NZ.
However do we need beating up more or educating more?

1. There is no public transport in NZ worthy of the name, regardless of which centre you're in.
2. Comparing any stats between NZ & Aus is fraught with peril from almost any point of view (in fact it only serves to reinforce my point 1 above)
3. Given almost any opportunity Joe Bloggs Kiwi living outside a main centre will state categorically that they could never live in one of the main centres, and their little community is the best in the world, so fuck em if they have no public transport & can't get a licence - let em walk.
4. No doubt even if one of those $6K licence schemes came in, your common or garden variety P addict will ask the welfare state to subsidise their licensing costs, since the youngest and most abused of their offspring requires "counselling" out of town once a month.

[Smifffy]

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[EJK]

NZ Police Service on recession?

[Berries]

I say beat the shit out of Lada drivers.

I had a Lada once. The best winter car you could ever have. Narrow tyres got you through deep snow. Always started on the button no matter how cold. Most reliable car I ever owned actually, till I crashed it in to a fallen tree.

[peasea]

I had a Lada once. The best winter car you could ever have. Narrow tyres got you through deep snow. Always started on the button no matter how cold. Most reliable car I ever owned actually, till I crashed it in to a fallen tree.

So again the abilities of Lada drivers are brought into question.

[davereid]

Bad luck for them - life ain't always fair.....(But in short you're saying we sacrifice a few lifes each year so country bumpkins can drive??)

We make that decision all the time, in the name of convenience.

For example, we could massively reduce the road toll by reducing the open road speed limit from 100 to 40. We choose not to do so because there is a social and financial advantage in a higher speed limit. Its the same reason we tolerate motorcycles. There are only very few bikers who use the motorcycle purely for transport. For most its a toy, a type of recreation. We could adopt a 12HP, 125cc limit like the Philipines. This would be good for the environment, would no disadvantage a single "utilitarian" transport" motorcyclist, yet would save dozens of lives every year.

[Berries]

Well I didn't know they were taking the town centre Christmas tree down at the time.

[sinfull]

Bring back carless days ! Women on odd numbers, men on even !