North Auckland Street Skills - NASS

[Squiggles]

FYI, I just had my application declined because a ride a CBR. I thought they might ave been taking the piss, but apparently no sports bikes are allowed to have training ...

Interesting, could take the DR but better to let someone who hasnt had the chance, its aimed a newer riders for sure. You should try day 1 of the superbike school

Hey Squiggles, home come you and The Stranger have the same avatar?
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/me...7-The-Stranger

Its Magua, the sexy beast that he is

[p.dath]

Interesting, could take the DR but better to let someone who hasnt had the chance, its aimed a newer riders for sure. You should try day 1 of the superbike school

I wont be parting with $429 just so I can go to Hampton Downs! AMCC only charge $100 for members to go to Pukekohe. It's not worth 4 times the price.

[Squiggles]

It's not worth 4 times the price.

You wont know that till you've tried it Day 2 is even better

[p.dath]

You wont know that till you've tried it Day 2 is even better

To get to day two you would have to spend a minimum of $858. That's pretty serious money.

So squiggles, do you consider the SBS to be 4 times better than the AMCC ART day? Did you get 4 times as the value of a single ART day?

Personally I like the idea of getting 4 days training out at Pukekohe more than 1 day at Hampton Downs.

[RUSS]

I wonder if it might be worthwhile if I bought along some chain lube and kerosene, and demonstrated how to clean and lubricate the chain. Too simple, or do some people think this might be helpful?

Fantastic idea, I'll bring along a dirty chain, or you could just pick up my bike and I'll stay at home and watch TV.

[BoristheBiter]

I wont be parting with $429 just so I can go to Hampton Downs! AMCC only charge $100 for members to go to Pukekohe. It's not worth 4 times the price.

I don't know how it is at the art day ( will know on the 18) but Mandy said it is way better at CSS.
But they are 2 completely different track days.
At CSS you get your own track coach who follows you around all day and shows/expalins what you are doing wrong/right.
I get it that some folks out there just can't afford to do things like this but to bag it without doing it is just not right.
for your 429 you get,
track time $199 5x20min.
classroom/track coach/lunch $230.
i think that it is more than worth the cost as it teachers you what you are meant to be doing.
I was surprised at now many expreranced riders said how good it was and how much they had learnt, so with that i would have to say it is well worth the money.

[Squiggles]

So squiggles, do you consider the SBS to be 4 times better than the AMCC ART day?

While i've stood on the sidelines twice, i've never been able to bring myself to spend $100 on an ART day... The difference as i see it would be in what you learn in the classroom and the better feedback you can get on the track. (I say better because all the rider coaches are singing from the same songsheet and its 1 coach per 2 riders), you got there with drills to perform, not just to circulate and "try to get it". I came out with a better knowledge of what i'm subconsciously doing and how i can improve it. Imo the ART days teach you how to twist your wrist and thus ride at higher speeds, but seem pretty hit and miss / "this is how i do it" when it comes to the corners and riding technique.

Value for money? Yep, i'll probably book day 3 for in november

[OutForADuck]

I don't know how it is at the art day ( will know on the 18) but Mandy said it is way better at CSS.
But they are 2 completely different track days.

Boris is right. Although the CSS is an expensive exercise it is a more full on tuition and something that you tend to do once or twice at different levels, it is an almost classroom style of instruction. ART Days are instructor lead track days with a high level of instruction and value, but at a cost that you can afford to keep doing.

ART Days are a really good thing to bring riders up to the standard where a CSS day is going to deliver value and also a really good place to have those lessons re-enforced and practiced over a greater time period. God knows not many of us can get all the lessons settled into our brains and practiced in a weekend and it is even worse if you are starting from scratch rather than a base of good practices.

The formats are completely different, ART Days are not like a classroom, we don’t slow you down and stop you from using brakes or gears for most of the first days laps. The idea is for you to have fun, ride fast in a safe environment AND get some very high quality instruction. CSS is about slowing you down, taking you back to basics so you can build up that solid foundation. It is more intense and probably more one on one (ART days average 3-5 instructors for each group).

Personally I see them as very complimentary and addressing the issues of rider training in different ways. I would encourage you all to stay away from our natural desire to argue that one is better than the other; I can and will argue that the ART Days are fantastic value and offer world class instruction, safety and facilities for people wanting to hone their skills. I will also argue that once you have developed to a certain stage, CSS is a highly rewarding training to get involved in offering good value for money.

Just to cap off we have numerous riders that have done both and everyone I have talked to describe the experience of both in glowing terms.

I have not done the NZ based CSS courses but I have done them overseas and I am an instructor at the ART days. I am very proud of what ART Days are achieving and we have fantastic instructors with exceptional experience and skills to pass on. If the NZ CSS is anywhere near the level of overseas, and I am lead to believe they are, then they also would gain high praise from me.

Its not about who's best or where is the best value; its about improving your riding, enjoyment and smile on the dial at the end of the day.

See you all on the 18th!!!

[BoristheBiter]

Boris is right. Although the CSS is an expensive exercise it is a more full on tuition and something that you tend to do once or twice at different levels, it is an almost classroom style of instruction. ART Days are instructor lead track days with a high level of instruction and value, but at a cost that you can afford to keep doing.

ART Days are a really good thing to bring riders up to the standard where a CSS day is going to deliver value and also a really good place to have those lessons re-enforced and practiced over a greater time period. God knows not many of us can get all the lessons settled into our brains and practiced in a weekend and it is even worse if you are starting from scratch rather than a base of good practices.

The formats are completely different, ART Days are not like a classroom, we don’t slow you down and stop you from using brakes or gears for most of the first days laps. The idea is for you to have fun, ride fast in a safe environment AND get some very high quality instruction. CSS is about slowing you down, taking you back to basics so you can build up that solid foundation. It is more intense and probably more one on one (ART days average 3-5 instructors for each group).

Personally I see them as very complimentary and addressing the issues of rider training in different ways. I would encourage you all to stay away from our natural desire to argue that one is better than the other; I can and will argue that the ART Days are fantastic value and offer world class instruction, safety and facilities for people wanting to hone their skills. I will also argue that once you have developed to a certain stage, CSS is a highly rewarding training to get involved in offering good value for money.

Just to cap off we have numerous riders that have done both and everyone I have talked to describe the experience of both in glowing terms.

I have not done the NZ based CSS courses but I have done them overseas and I am an instructor at the ART days. I am very proud of what ART Days are achieving and we have fantastic instructors with exceptional experience and skills to pass on. If the NZ CSS is anywhere near the level of overseas, and I am lead to believe they are, then they also would gain high praise from me.

Its not about who's best or where is the best value; its about improving your riding, enjoyment and smile on the dial at the end of the day.

See you all on the 18th!!!

you said that so much better than i did, i'm glad you got what i was meaning.

[BMCruiser]

Have you applied Toto? anyone else going to this or have applied?

Well done on your full licence Hayden. Hopefully I can report the same in a few weeks.

I've also applied and been accepted for the Hamptons Downs day. Maybe we can meet up somewhere with any others who want to and cruise down together

[Sly_guy]

By the way, I got my full today so no more curfew for me !!! Many thanks to all of you who have been pulling me aside and giving me advice on riding @ NASS. Couldnt have been easier if I hadn't been coming and having fun with you all : )

Congrats mate, well done

You've shown some massive improvement since you started, great to see

Now you get to play on some bikes that can be real fun ! ... (carefully of course !)

[p.dath]

I wont be able to make it along tonight. Need to look after my children.

[R-Soul]

I might be there.

[retro asian]

Another great tip for riding at night/in winter... a clean visor doesn't fog up as bad as a dirty one.

In saying that, I haven't cleaned my visor since doing a 600+ Kms Northland loop 2 weeks ago.... I'm waiting for it to rain...

[p.dath]

Another great tip for riding at night/in winter... a clean visor doesn't fog up as bad as a dirty one.

In saying that, I haven't cleaned my visor since doing a 600+ Kms Northland loop 2 weeks ago.... I'm waiting for it to rain...

I had exactly this issue last week! Noticed I was riding with my visor up all the time because it was clearer. Finally got off my arse and gave it a clean - what a difference.