Police killing us again!

[98tls]

I don't believe in mistakes. His judgement was impaired

Fuck me,finally.Always thought if i spent enough time on here one day i would surely meet godWith shit like that i reckon your mother made a mistake."i dont believe in mistakes"The best yet.

[Smifffy]

No I didn't, I asked Ixion for the facts and figures behind his claim that there was an endemic of Police killing motorcyclists at a high rate, which he doesn't and can't answer because he made it up.

Maybe you can educate us as to how many motorcyclists have been killed by Police and the relevance of the Goddard report in relation to this?

A high rate? How many of us have they killed in the last 12 months? Isn't that enough? What do you consider an acceptable number, as collateral damage in the fight to keep the road toll down?

[98tls]

A high rate? How many of us have they killed in the last 12 months? Isn't that enough? What do you consider an acceptable number, as collateral damage in the fight to keep the road toll down?

Jesus H,i can smell the glue from here.Why not change your screen name to Sniffy.

[candor]

No 98, she was killed by someone... who was not making a mistake. It was not an accident or mistake but a crash, as the peson was impaired by drugs and fatigue. Which means it had a cause - which means it was not a mistake. Just like this case. You do not make "mistakes" like u turns in front of people, or take gambles going through intersections. Especially when you understand the risks well. These sorts of acts aren't human errors any more than a Dr operating on a wrong person, they are caused by something so had to happen. If we pretend it was just a mistake we'll never identify causes and never prevent such things in future.

We don't send criminals to jail for mistakes - and I'm sure the crash investigators don't have mistake on their checklist.

[Smifffy]

Jesus H,i can smell the glue from here.Why not change your screen name to Sniffy.

So you don't think this situation could be improved by the acknowledgement of a problem, and remedial actions?

How many bikers per year do you think it's acceptable to kill in the course of traffic enforcement?

[Rhino]

TBH, that's the way I have learnt I *have* to ride to survive. Even if I am just pootling down to the supermarket. Unfortunately sometimes we have to accept that we are much more vulnerable than most other road users and ride or take our chances accordingly.

Str8Jacket, I don't often agree with your posts, but I also always ride covering my front brake (and clutch after riding lots of 2 strokes in my teens.) That half a bike length less stopping distance could be the difference between an ambulance ride and saying "shit, that was close."

[Indoo]

A high rate? How many of us have they killed in the last 12 months?

Outside of this incident and say in the last 100 or so years err none? Of course you can and I'm sure will produce the evidence and examples that say otherwise right?

During the past 100 or so years how many riders have been killed through their own lack of skills, training or mistakes, cage drivers who just didn't 'see' them or criminals and repeat drunk drivers?

It's a bit of a shame that the actual causes of death don't seem to create the same level of hysteria nor do you see the same commentators slagging off the Police lamenting them.

[candor]

Indoo this was provided under the OIA but they forgot to separate driver/rider and passenger/pillion. Bronz needs to get this and the trend. It's clearly positive given Goddards key recommendation related to MCs.

Table 3
Casualties (killed & injured) in ''Evading Enforcement' crashes by road user type, 2002 to 2008
(chases up 2-3x with harm following introduction of resource allocation quota model)

Driver------ Passenger ------ Pedestrian------ Pedal Cyclist
521------------ 269----------- 19 ------------------- 5 ------- --- Total 814

And like the victim many victims were not the pursued,

Age----------- Pursued----------------------------not pursued
unknown---------------41-------------------------7
0-14--------------------36--------------------------7
15-19------------------234------------------------27
20-24------------------150-------------------------9
25-39---------------------145-----------------------58
40-59-------------------39--------------------------41
60+---------------------0----------------------------20
Total--------------------------------------------------814
Wonder which age group the victim was in.

[riffer]

No I didn't, I asked Ixion for the facts and figures behind his claim that there was an endemic of Police killing motorcyclists at a high rate, which he doesn't and can't answer because he made it up.

Maybe you can educate us as to how many motorcyclists have been killed by Police and the relevance of the Goddard report in relation to this?

Speaking of education Indoo... one thing about your posts is irritating me.

en·dem·ic

/ɛnˈdɛmɪk
–adjective Also, en·dem·i·cal. 1. natural to or characteristic of a specific people or place; native; indigenous: endemic folkways; countries where high unemployment is endemic.

2. belonging exclusively or confined to a particular place: a fever endemic to the tropics.

I think you mean EPIDEMIC:

ep·i·dem·ic

/ˌɛpɪˈdɛmɪk/
–adjective 1. Also, ep·i·dem·i·cal. (of a disease) affecting many persons at the same time, and spreading from person to person in a locality where the disease is not permanently prevalent.

2. extremely prevalent; widespread.


–noun 3. a temporary prevalence of a disease.

4. a rapid spread or increase in the occurrence of something: an epidemic of riots.

[Smifffy]

Outside of this incident and say in the last 100 or so years err none? Of course you can produce the evidence and examples that say otherwise which I'm sure your going to do to avoid looking like a fool.

During the past 100 or so years how many riders have been killed through their own lack of skills, training and mistakes, cage drivers belonging to the 'general public' not seeking them or recidvist criminasl and drunk drivers?

It's not me that looks foolish after this post.

Yes there have been plenty of bikers killed through other means as well, and that's why ACC levies have been increased. We all know the answer is not "none" and yet the very agency tasked with improving conditions on the road for law abiding bikers, wipes some out in a few seperate, isolated incidents, and refuses to address the issue?

[Headbanger]

Righto, I asked around and a 300KG mass, traveling at 100km an hour would hit a stationary object at


F = ((36*300) - (0*300))/0.5
=21600N, or roughly equivalent to a weight of 2200kg

So yeah, Big fuckin impact, and hell yes the car would get a hell of a shunt. You can scale that weight to reflect the true value of the bike and rider and its still a big impact that will certainly move the car.

[riffer]

And to add my opinion:

Yeah, it looks bad. For all concerned.

I'll wait for the results of the inquiry thanks.

[98tls]

So you don't think this situation could be improved by the acknowledgement of a problem, and remedial actions?

How many bikers per year do you think it's acceptable to kill in the course of traffic enforcement?

Stupid question,why such a song and dance when a cop fucks up and nothing about when anyone else does,truck drivers/elderly/young people blah blah blah.All this crap about "there supposed to know better/there supposed to guide us "wtf,If motorcyclists on here cared as much about stupid driving and needless deaths as they profess to on here then every time any motorist fucks up and a motorcyclist dies there would be an uproar,they dont.

[riffer]

Righto, I asked around and a 300KG mass, traveling at 100km an hour would hit a stationary object at


F = ((36*300) - (0*300))/0.5
=21600N, or roughly equivalent to a weight of 2200kg

So yeah, Big fuckin impact, and hell yes the car would get a hell of a shunt. You can scale that weight to reflect the true value of the bike and rider and its still a big impact that will certainly move the car.

You've forgotten to allow for the car moving as well, and potentially the shock of the impact causing the driver to put their foot on the accelerator in surprise.

[Katman]

Righto, I asked around and a 300KG mass, traveling at 100km an hour would hit a stationary object at


F = ((36*300) - (0*300))/0.5
=21600N, or roughly equivalent to a weight of 2200kg

So yeah, Big fuckin impact, and hell yes the car would get a hell of a shunt. You can scale that weight to reflect the true value of the bike and rider and its still a big impact that will certainly move the car.

Are you suggesting that the motorcyclist made no attempt to scrub off any speed at all?