Police killing us again!

[peasea]

looks like cambell live might be worth a watch, interview with the ute driver

Was he found or did he front up?

[Katman]

You've not been here very long, so couldn't be expected to know that sometimes Steve uses Dawn's log-in...or does he?
Nobody really knows for sure. Bit like the Stig.

Just for the record, Dawn and I have never used each others log-ons.






(But I'll keep the Stig comment).

[peasea]

Nah, the public drive 'em into that state of mind T.

Is that an admission that cops are "stubborn, single-minded twits"?

[peasea]

Just for the record, Dawn and I have never used each others log-ons.





(But I'll keep the Stig comment).

What about each other's strap-ons?

[Str8 Jacket]

The media might have made a typo? I 'flew' 10 to 12 metres after I hit a tree and I was doing 70 to 80 km/h according to those who were riding with me.

You were lucky.. I know someone who was travelling @ 70kph on an A100 and had a car turn in front of them. They were catapulted 20 metres....

[shafty]

Sorry if this might seems to distract from the thread but....Yahoo has a Poll up FOR TODAY asking your opinon on this matter. Its at http://nz.yahoo.com - centre of page, Cheers, Shafty

[shafty]

Was he found or did he front up?

This might help....

A police officer who made a fatal u-turn in front of a motorcyclist was left so badly shaken by the man's death he could not key in an emergency call on his cellphone, says a witness.

In an ironic twist, the allegedly speeding motorist who the officer was about to pursue when he made the u-turn may have been the motorcyclist's best friend.

Father-of-two and former motorsport champion Paul Brown, 38, was killed as he came over the brow of a hill near Waerenga, in Waikato, and crashed into the turning patrol car, which had its sirens on and lights flashing and was about to chase a ute that police say had been clocked travelling 154km/h.

Four investigations into the death of Mr Brown were under way last night, but police said the ute driver had not come forward and they did not know who he was.

However, Carl Jackson, of Jackson Engineering, where Mr Brown worked part-time, told the Herald Mr Brown had been following his ute as the pair headed to their respective homes after spending time at a friend's house on Sunday afternoon.

When asked if he had been speeding, Mr Jackson said he "might have been".

He said he didn't know if it had been him police had started to chase, but as he returned to town he "saw the ambulance speeding past" and figured something had happened.

One of the first people on the scene, neighbour Frank Wilkin, said he raced outside after hearing a "horrific boom" and saw a police officer and another man get out of the patrol car.

"They looked very, very shocked, they didn't know what the hell they'd hit. They were as white as sheets."

Moments later, the police officer raced into Mr Wilkin's house asking to use his phone because he was unable to use his mobile phone. The officer could not immediately see Mr Brown's body, which was flung about 30m off his bike and into a ditch, Mr Wilkin said.

"He had a cellphone but he was shaking so much he couldn't press the buttons. He was yelling, 'I can't find him, I can't find him'."

Mr Wilkin said there were "bits and pieces" of Mr Brown's motorbike strewn for metres across the road. Half of his helmet looked as though it had been crushed. The back of the police vehicle was "virtually torn off".

Mr Jackson condemned the police officer's actions. "It was a stupid place to turn around. If he'd gone another 100 metres he could have turned around safely."

He described Mr Brown as "one of my best mates".

Mr Brown was divorced and had two teenage children, Clayton and Chanelle, who lived with their mother.

Dozens of friends and relatives flooded the home of Mr Brown's parents, John and Jenny, in the nearby village of Waerenga yesterday. It is understood the couple lost another son in a motorbike accident years earlier.

Some people flipped through a photo album of images of Mr Brown racing. Mr Brown was the New Zealand Supermotard champion in 2005, but he hurt his back in a race in Wanganui in 2008 and had not raced competitively since.

He was a member of a group of biking enthusiasts called the Coro Demons and had their logo on his bikes, of which he had about four.

Waikato road policing manager Leo Tooman yesterday said the CIB, Serious Crash Unit and the Independent Police Complaints Authority were all investigating the crash. The coroner would also carry out an investigation.

Mr Tooman said police investigations would be supervised by a senior officer from outside the district with peer review by a crash investigator also from outside the district.

"Road policing is all about preventing road trauma. Unfortunately the nature of our business is such that from time to time tragedies occur. It is now a priority for us to ensure a thorough investigation is completed, not only for the deceased's family's peace of mind but for that of the public and our own staff."

[Mudfart]

they put a speed camera in one of the new vans on waerenga rd today, it was in the 50kph zone near the TK college.

[Big Dave]

I had a conversation with the Ed about it today.
He is in the 'Ban all Pursuits' corner and the next KIWIRIDER editorial might well be carrying that line.
I disagree. I think without the disincentive of getting caught on the job there will be twin-turbo-no-springs-or-numberplate-cap-on-sideways-wastegate-pumping carnage and worse tragedies.
But I don't really know. Sigh.

[Toaster]

Maybe all cops in the traffic division should have to ride two wheels (a push bike would be my suggestion, don't want them on motorbikes), for the first ten years of the job so they learn a little about self-preservation before they're allowed into a V8 Holden.
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I agree - to clarify, that all cops in traffic (long termers) should be bikers.

There are no V8 cars in the police fleet, only SV6 Holdens.

[Pixie]

Prompt acknowledgement from Judith Collins,Joyce must be hiding somewhere:


Dear Mr Pixie

The Hon Judith Collins, Minister of Police, has asked me to acknowledge and thank you for your correspondence of 20 April 2010, received by this office on 20 April 2010, regarding fatal police u-turn accident in the Waikato.

The Minister has asked officials for advice on this matter. You will receive a response as soon as possible.

Yours sincerely






Inspector Troy Nicholson
Police Private Secretary

[twotyred]

I had a conversation with the Ed about it today.
He is in the 'Ban all Pursuits' corner and the next KIWIRIDER editorial might well be carrying that line.
I disagree. I think without the disincentive of getting caught on the job there will be twin-turbo-no-springs-or-numberplate-cap-on-sideways-wastegate-pumping carnage and worse tragedies.
But I don't really know. Sigh.

I would have said the same thing but this thread makes for interesting (if long and alarming) reading.
the really interesting stuff is in post 23...

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...onquer-the-RAM

[Pixie]

That's just luck - if a gang of people robbed a bank wearing balaclavas or full face masks, and jumped into their get away vehicle, then if the cops don't give chase if they see the bank robbers, then there is a very slim chance of them getting snapped.

As for the psych patients, everyone is responsible for their own actions. I'm sick of hearing "my mum was an alcoholic and my dad was a p addict so that gives me the right to kill people". In other words, in that situation it won't be you that's responsible, it would be the psych patients fault for jumping off the building. Just because someone is fucked in the head it doesn't give them the right to do anything that I wouldn't be allowed to do.

Do you even know what goad means?

[Big Dave]

I'd be careful on what we ultimately wish for in alternate Policing methods too.
There isn't enough hardware to put a Chopper over every Parish in NZ.
It sounds a bit big brother-ish when you head down other alternatives in that direction - Governors? GPS tracking? Auto-cut outs? Remote disabling? All doable now.
I know that if you give a government a stick - it will hit you with it.

[Pixie]

I'm not so sure that this is completely right. In the sense that they 'all' do it...
However, even one - is one too many. Since it's akin to rolling a dice...keep doing it, and eventually you'll throw a double six.

If I was a tycoon I'd fund ads on TV with a cadaverous individual with a "wheel of fortune" lurking around cops contemplating u-turns and pursuits.