Looking for a top IT role in Auckland?

[Tank]

Gotta link (or a reference number)? Guy I know wanted more info before he contacted you

PM sent with link

would rather that than have management gauge the capabilities of a person based on what they wear...

Of course not. But unlike geeks who think their 'mad IT skillz' are enough - we are smart enough to look at the entire person. There is more to a role than 'just' the geek park. Before you make comments about working with geeks etc - my 'real' job is in software development - we are a very technical house and have teams leaving our office and working in Redmond with Microsoft several times a year. And we have a very casual dress code - in fact Im in shorts today (man - I got good looking legs).

plus management should know that closet boy needs a talking to before he opens his mouth in front of the clients...

See - thats where you are wrong - we want to hire people that are smart enough that they dont need hand holding before talking to people. Its called hiring well rounded, professional people. One might be technically strong, but in todays market roles like only require a back room techie are getting less and less.

I got a mortgage in shorts and a t-shirt... I'm not saying it doesn't have it's place, I just think it's a very outdated way of quantifying "how competent" someone is or could be at their job...

Actually it does give an indication of competence - if they are unable to dress 'appropriately' for the situation (what ever that situation is) then they do have a bit of a problem. Yeah - I know its complying with 'da man' - but Im sure you shouldn't turn up at your sisters / daughters wedding with a "I fucked the bride t-shirt" - most likely you would wear what 'they' deemed appropriate for their wedding / environment.

Watched the news last night and some "style guru" was prattling on about how Labour need to revamp their image in order to poll better...

They need so much more than that.

[Fatjim]

yeah - Interpersonal skills may be an issue!

He's great with kids, but you can get away with a lot if you give them icecream.

Same goes for Managers too.

[Fatjim]

It's called having social skills.

Would get a mortgage from a guy in a track suit?

The IT geek stereotype exists for a reason - go and sit in a wardrobe and stay the f*** away from customers!

Yeah, and get rid of the flipping pony tail. Its just not cool.

[mashman]

and all he said

I'm only "arguing" in regards to being suited. My quirk, as I see it as fundamentally unnecessary... and yes I get suited up when the need arises... You don't seem like the type of guy to hire anyone in a half arsed fashion ... I understand the type of candidate you're looking for... i was just blah blahing as per on social convention am sure you'll get your man/gal. Leg piccies or it's just hot air

[avgas]

Turning into an interesting conversation.
To change peoples perception about me - growing up on the end of a shovel I did not have any formal clothes until I left home. Even when I picked up my Scholarship at 7th prize giving I did so in short sleave semi-formal shirt and Jeans.
I have never worn a proper tie in my life. But have found advantages in dressing 'tidy' for work.
Even my wedding I was wearing a suit.....but no tie.

Should I learn how to wear a tie. Or are tie's very 1970's?
Do you trust and I.T. professional with a Tie? Or do you think him a scam artist?

[Gubb]

I'd love to apply for the role, but I suspect my grasp of next to nothing IT skills may be an issue.

You need a Bouncer?

[Mully]

Should I learn how to wear a tie. Or are tie's very 1970's?

Learn how to tie a Windsor knot.
Invest in one or two very nice shirts and a couple of nice ties.

Use as required. Not always for work.

[Drunken Monkey]

Do you trust and I.T. professional with a Tie? Or do you think him a scam artist?

Well again, it's that whole lumping of all I.T. professionals into one group (this is now starting to become a pet hate of mine). It's like lumping all scientists together as one profession then talking about suitable clothing. What's going to work for a genetic research scientist in a lab is not going to work for someone working on carbon nano-tubes or measuring the distribution of cockle shells within the Whangateau harbour (a personal favourite of mine).

So yeah, you probably need to look slick if you're selling consulting to a big four firm. You'll look like a twat if you rock on up to someone's house to install some RAM in your suit though.

Only now do we hear that it's a software house. The thread is full of off-hand comments from (obvious) network/system engineers. I can understand why he (Tank) got annoyed with the off-track responses, but I stand by my first comment. If the job description was written more concisely to correctly identify the actual technical field that was being sought, then perhaps this thread would have stayed on track. And to continue to stat the obvious, this is simply due to lack of clear communication - the one thing that was supposed to rule out poor candidates.

[avgas]

Haha DM so true. But alas that is business.
Also true about the lumping into 1 category thing. But lets just simplify by saying I already talk to the big-un's as I am and I am wondering if the tie is worth my while sub-CEO level.
For the interest - whenever I see a young engineer, with tie.......trying to tell me what to do. I instantly think "Know nothing consultant". Which is probably a bad perception 30% of the time......but then again 70% I am right.
Which is sad really.
But say you were the head of IT for a company pulling 20+ Million in sales a year. Tie?

[Tank]

Only now do we hear that it's a software house. The thread is full of off-hand comments from (obvious) network/system engineers. I can understand why he (Tank) got annoyed with the off-track responses, but I stand by my first comment. If the job description was written more concisely to correctly identify the actual technical field that was being sought, then perhaps this thread would have stayed on track. And to continue to stat the obvious, this is simply due to lack of clear communication - the one thing that was supposed to rule out poor candidates.

No - I work for a software house - this role is not. I also do some consulting for other companies (generally at board level) also. This is one of the positions I had for one of them.

I have a job description that is complete - It wasn't when i popped this up - but I made that very clear and simply asked people to PM me if they were interested. I now have all the specs together - along with kpi's that the person will be measured against etc.

Upshot - I dont really care. I have positions come up from time to time. Generally they are very technically specific - and I wouldn't waste time mentioning it on here. But this being more of a generalist role - I thought a couple may be interested / capable. A couple were and I have received their CVs.

Meh! Its a competitive market out there. I have had well in excess of 100 replies as of this morning (and not one asking to were a t-shirt) - I was simply trying to give a fellow KB'er a fighting chance.

Not really worth the effort is it.

[mashman]

But say you were the head of IT for a company pulling 20+ Million in sales a year. Tie?

Get a clip-on tie

[mashman]

Not really worth the effort is it.

Of course it is, ya never know where the best person for the job will come from. Happy happy interview time now... now on to more important things... got a pub sorted out for interviews yet?

[Tank]

Get a clip-on tie

oh - I though your said strap-on

Of course it is, ya never know where the best person for the job will come from. Happy happy interview time now... now on to more important things... got a pub sorted out for interviews yet?

Has in-house bar.

[mashman]

Has in-house bar.

I may have been somewhat quick of the mark to have dismissed the position you have available... where can I send my CV, and is there wireless connectivity in the bar

[magicfairy]

Trying to decide where I should go next, thinking about self studying for an MCSE.

MCSE is not a current certification. All the Server 2008 / vista /win7 /other products certificaions are MCTS (Technology specialist - 1 exam) and MCITP (It professional - a few exams) e.g you can be mcts on Windows 7, or Server 2008 Active Directory, or Server 2008 Networking.

Microsoft announced some time ago that no one could be a generalist anymore (and "Engineer" was not theirs to use in the US) so now the certfications are focused on knowing about particular products. Which is not always the case in New Zealand but is in the US. I teach a number of these coures and hold these certs, have been an MCSE since 1995.
Look into getting MCTS in some products instead if you are starting out.