Tobacco tax on the increase.

[imdying]

Yet another point to all those saying that this is purely revenue gathering. If noone bought cigarettes, then that money would be spent (and taxed) elsewhere. Hence the drop in revenue would not be the full amount gained from the sale of tobacco.

And even if they didn't spend any of it, they keep bitching that we as a country need to get better at saving, so they can't have it both ways.

[imdying]

Much like ACC spouting the cost of motorcycle accidents, even those where the motorcyclist is not at fault, how many of these 'smoking related' costs are people that tick the smoker box on the form and therefore their stroke/heart attack/brain cancer are attributed to them being a smoker. And where is the contribution to the health system from those people rude enough to have strokes/heart attacks/lung cancer when they haven't even had the decency to pay tax on tobacco to pay for their healthcare.

What about people who have smoking related stroke whilst driving and head on a family of five... what of that cost?

[Tony.OK]

I don't think anyone denies that smoking is bad for you. Did you see the head of American Tabaco for NZ at the select commitee (it was on TV)? He got asked, and said smoking was dangerous, and he had personally given up smoking. And this is from their top man in NZ.

So if the guys selling it wont use their own product, what can you say?

Smoking is a huge drain. Imagine if all the money spent on smoking was re-directed into other areas of the NZ economy, not to mention the huge long term savings in health care.

Smoking has to go.

Yep and bikers cost NZ money too........(if ya believe everything you read/see)........that should go too? People freely admit thats dangerous too, you happy to pay double the amount for rego without batting an eyelid?

Where would you like to see the money redirected? Pay the politicians more, or increase the benefits so we don't upset someone that can't afford to get wasted and beat up their kids?

PC gone bloody mad is what seems to be the flavour of the decade.

If you don't smoke then good for you, if I get sick and have to use up my share of healthcare, don't see it as you paying for it, if it makes you feel better then imagine that your hard earned tax dollars are paying for the newest non working immigrants that NZ just loves to invite over

Ok I'm done.............not gonna argue with non smokers, there will always be "ayes 'n' nayes"

I'll pay my bit more until I'm ready and want to give up, as far as I'm aware I still have the right to make my own decisions, be them good or bad.

[mashman]

I don't think anyone denies that smoking is bad for you. Did you see the head of American Tabaco for NZ at the select commitee (it was on TV)? He got asked, and said smoking was dangerous, and he had personally given up smoking. And this is from their top man in NZ.

So if the guys selling it wont use their own product, what can you say?

Smoking is a huge drain. Imagine if all the money spent on smoking was re-directed into other areas of the NZ economy, not to mention the huge long term savings in health care.

Smoking has to go.

At least with a rolling product I get a purer product. It's the chemicals that are bad are they not? not the smoking directly? Yet you'll put aftershave on your face? Powder on your privates? Eat off plates that have come from a detergent soaked box? Walk into office toilets and inhale the latest and greatest in poo repellent? There's plenty of dead animals that testufy as to how dangerous these chemicals are... yet smoking is the cause of it all?

[Murray]

Hate to say it but a friend of mine has just being diagnosed with the big C and was told by the experts its a smoking related cancer how much do you smoke? His answer "never have". How does that work???

[imdying]

At least with a rolling product I get a purer product. It's the chemicals that are bad are they not?

Both the papers and the tobacco still contain the majority of the same chemicals. Unless you're rolling a different product?

[mashman]

What about people who have smoking related stroke whilst driving and head on a family of five... what of that cost?

I dunno. But i'd berate him no more than the non-smoking stroke victim that's just had a head on with a bus full of schoolkids... the bus being pushed over the edge of the cliff and rolling down through the town below killing more children and Siamese cats

[mashman]

Both the papers and the tobacco still contain the majority of the same chemicals. Unless you're rolling a different product?

True... the chemicals are bad, but loo paper just goes up in a flash... I thought there were more chemicals used in ready made cigs (to keep them burning)?... I could be wrong though. Not that it'll stop me from contracting whatever i'm going to contract, but hopefully i'm on the healthier version

[imdying]

True... the chemicals are bad, but loo paper just goes up in a flash... I thought there were more chemicals used in ready made cigs (to keep them burning)?... I could be wrong though. Not that it'll stop me from contracting whatever i'm going to contract, but hopefully i'm on the healthier version

They've run a campaign to advise smokers on the reality of 'rollys being healtheir' as of late. You'll have to read the propaganda and decide for yourself... but it ain't fairy cake and ice cream that makes a slow burning Rizla slow burning

[peasea]

Hate to say it but a friend of mine has just being diagnosed with the big C and was told by the experts its a smoking related cancer how much do you smoke? His answer "never have". How does that work???

Passive smoking probably.

Again, the actions of one person affecting the life of an innocent party. I don't care if someone wants to smoke, that's their business, just don't do it in my airspace.

[mashman]

They've run a campaign to advise smokers on the reality of 'rollys being healtheir' as of late. You'll have to read the propaganda and decide for yourself... but it ain't fairy cake and ice cream that makes a slow burning Rizla slow burning

No need for the propoganda. I know it's a silly thing to do with ones lungs, i just happen to like it still... mmmmmmm cake...

Again, the actions of one person affecting the life of an innocent party. I don't care if someone wants to smoke, that's their business, just don't do it in my airspace.

when anyone does that fake cough or wafty screwed up face looking down the nose thingy... apart from wishing I could apply a darn swift thrashing, it would be nice if they just said "oi, fatty, can you get that away from me please"... it ain't fair, passive smoking being potentially dangerous and all...

[peasea]

when anyone does that fake cough or wafty screwed up face looking down the nose thingy... apart from wishing I could apply a darn swift thrashing, it would be nice if they just said "oi, fatty, can you get that away from me please"... it ain't fair, passive smoking being potentially dangerous and all...

I would, however, suggest that if someone sits down to light up they should ask first. Conversely, I don't sit where smokers do and then ask them to move nor do I pull a silly face. (My face looks silly naturally.)

[imdying]

I know it's a silly thing to do with ones lungs, i just happen to like it still

Damn skippy.

[mashman]

I would, however, suggest that if someone sits down to light up they should ask first. Conversely, I don't sit where smokers do and then ask them to move nor do I pull a silly face. (My face looks silly naturally.)

Absolutely. But it's when they sit next to you... yes the courtesy doesn't always swing both way though... after all it's a dirty dirty habit ...

[peasea]

Absolutely. But it's when they sit next to you... yes the courtesy doesn't always swing both way though... after all it's a dirty dirty habit ...

Quote:
"Since I lost one of my lungs, I cut my smoking in half"

Cheech and Chong.