Police killing us again!

**Coldrider** · 30th April 2010, 22:17

Originally Posted by bogan

Had a look in there, can't find it, not gonna read the whole thing obviously, but apparently it doesn't fall under pursuits policy anyway, which I'm confused about, as the whole reason the uey was performed was to pursue someone. Me thinks Red Mermaid is providing Red Herrings.

here is one referencehttp://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/68272-Police-U-turn-amusement-again/page5?highlight=buller+gorge+turn

**bogan** · 30th April 2010, 22:21

Originally Posted by Coldrider

here is one referencehttp://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/68272-Police-U-turn-amusement-again/page5?highlight=buller+gorge+turn

ah yup, so if its not a pursuit, what is the relevant policy?

**Coldrider** · 30th April 2010, 22:52

I'm lost now, both parties need to know that it is a persuit, not just the officer.

**bogan** · 30th April 2010, 23:00

Originally Posted by Coldrider

I'm lost now, both parties need to know that it is a persuit, not just the officer.

i think the term pursuit is loosely used by reporters and non-police people, as the officer u-turned to pursue the ute. The fact that the it does not come under pursuit policy is irrelevant (and debating it is a red herring), surely there is some other policy that deals with the initiation of a pursuit?
ie, did the officer break protocol/policy when he performed the u-turn? If not, what policy did he adhere to, if so what one did he break, if in between which one is it in-between of?

Its not a difficult question for any police-person, and one I would like to hear a straight up answer for. I wouldn't have though that was too much to ask.

**Coldrider** · 30th April 2010, 23:25

You are correct in the misuse, in the Bridgeman case, he had merely done a U turn to follow the motorcyclist, he had not turned his flashing lights on till after the collision.
The crown said he was persuing, technically it wasn't (using the police definition).

**blackdog** · 30th April 2010, 23:59

Originally Posted by Coldrider

The crown said he was persuing

that kinda stuffs red mermaid then

can't argue with someone further up the food chain

**Spearfish** · 1st May 2010, 00:23

Have you guys jumped in a bit to early and put your rego on hold for the winter?

**Smifffy** · 1st May 2010, 10:51

"The officer activated his lights and sirens and moved his vehicle to the left intending to carry out a turning manoeuvre to follow the speeding vehicle, partway through this Mr Brown has come over the brow of a hill and encountered the patrol car partway across his lane and collided with it," - Leo Tooman

So is there a policy for carrying out turning manoeuvres to follow speeding vehicles once the lights and sirens have been activated?

Clearly this is way outside the scope of the pursuit policy, which could in no way apply in this instance.

**red mermaid** · 1st May 2010, 13:49

Im not going to bother because I know the rules as it is my job, and as soon as I start to try and correct the myths, legends and plain BS on KB all I get is personal insults from a bunch of bush lawyers who think they know it all.

So I figure, let the bush lawyers put you wrong.

**MarkH** · 1st May 2010, 14:18

Originally Posted by red mermaid

Im not going to bother because I know the rules as it is my job, and as soon as I start to try and correct the myths, legends and plain BS on KB all I get is personal insults from a bunch of bush lawyers who think they know it all.

So I figure, let the bush lawyers put you wrong.

So, why exactly do you even bother posting here then? (Serious question)

**bogan** · 1st May 2010, 14:22

Originally Posted by red mermaid

Im not going to bother because I know the rules as it is my job, and as soon as I start to try and correct the myths, legends and plain BS on KB all I get is personal insults from a bunch of bush lawyers who think they know it all.

So I figure, let the bush lawyers put you wrong.

and why do you lump us all into the same category? I welcome intelligent debate on such topics, just ignore the insults (and perhaps stop dispensing them yourself) and you might actually get somewhere.

And yeh, I would like to know why you continue to post as well? cos you are just making cops look bad with what you have said so far.

**red mermaid** · 1st May 2010, 14:33

So what insults have I dispensed?

**bogan** · 1st May 2010, 14:38

Originally Posted by red mermaid

So what insults have I dispensed?

calling us all bush lawyers for one, assuming we are all out to insult you rather than actually debate anything. I'm still looking for answers on the other questions btw