What is a Man? Points to ponder...

**huff3r** · 2nd May 2010, 21:41

Originally Posted by Headbanger

Mad, petty, and with massive flaws.

All of us.

Moooooooo

Nah, im not.

**Genie** · 2nd May 2010, 21:42

Mad Cow disease....if you know what I mean.

LOL, wrong thread, but mankind has many, many flaws, yet amongst his flaws there are some who stand out from the rest and they, they are the ones who can claim the title of "Master". There's not many left, maybe it's time for mankind to stand up and wear the mantel.

**SS90** · 2nd May 2010, 21:52

Originally Posted by Katiepie

Very true - it is no easy place to be, because of how society judges so easily. In that case, it takes incredible strength to be who they want to be, despite the reactions or opinions of others. I work in a "mans world". My industry is full of men, actually, most of them still boys afraid to be the man they know they can be. As a result, they are unkind, harsh, unfair to me as a women, and I would most certainly say they are not strong. They are all so worried about what the other men expects of them, that they continue to be who everyone else wants them to be. And they are (mostly, generalising here) rather unhappy, and unable to treat a women with any respect. The result of this means that I have little respect for them too.

So, I wait, to meet that man that is strong enough to be who he wants to be, who he feels he needs to be, who has respect for himself as a man...

I agree with most of what you say here, and your comments regarding mans strength is valid, however, it is impossible for you to be able to judge a man until you have "walked a mile in his shoes".

Being a man is not easy, you are constantly inundated with "tesoterone bullshit" from the moment you can breath for yourself.

Men like Rugby and drinking Beer (or that's what you are told), and, if not, then you are simply a homo. The end.

Women, constantly manipulate and control men, using there naturally installed sex drive as a weapon against them, they lead men on, deliberately, just to get there way, and, if there is a hint of discontent, "oh, that man is aggressive"

Women like "bad boys", and, despite what you say, if a man (any man) shows kindness, compassion (read weakness), then 99% of women will walk all over that man, they themsleves don't know why, they just do.

You say you "wait to meet a man that is strong enough to be who he wants to be, who he feels he needs to be, who has respect for himself as a man",

I say, you meet these men everyday, you just fail to notice them, because subconciously you are programmed to ignore him....because if a man is weak, then everyone will take advantage of him, and that will make him a bad provider, and, in times of need, not be able to offer you the security that you are pre programmed to be attracted to.

In reality, that is what it is about, Women want security, Men want sex, a man that is perceived as "weak" is really not a good provider, and therefore cannot offer the type of "security" that is needed in the modern world.

When we where living in caves, security was achieved through having the strongest man,(best provider) today, security is achieved in a totally different manner, and, is more complicated (given the extreme social changes we have endured over the last 2000 years.)

Women, to feel secure, don't actually NEED a physically strong man to be secure in this world, any physical element is only part of the equation.

Women need to feel that the man they have "caught" is (at the very least) more desirable than the man their friends have.

This man must be better looking, stronger,richer,funnier etc than their friends man/men. It's all about being better than their friends for a woman, and, in reality, the type of man that most women CLAIM they are looking for most of the time never gets a sniff in.

Think about it, how many single women are there in NZ? don't the single women out number the men?

Why the hell is that?

**Edbear** · 2nd May 2010, 21:56

Originally Posted by Genie

Mad Cow disease....if you know what I mean.

LOL, wrong thread, but mankind has many, many flaws, yet amongst his flaws there are some who stand out from the rest and they, they are the ones who can claim the title of "Master". There's not many left, maybe it's time for mankind to stand up and wear the mantel.

You're right of course. Too many have abdicated their responsibility due to selfishness. Others have never been told about it and are generationally disadvantaged.

A man has to become selfless, to deny his desires and to sacrifice his own interests, to truly become a man. His true role is to build others up, to provide for their needs, especially his own family.

What many men fail to understand is that by doing so they will receive a reward beyond measure as others turn to attending to their needs in appreciatiion and love.

Unfortunately, too, many feel they haven't the time to wait and to be patient. Most seem to live int the here and now and cannot envisage a time 20 years into the future for themselves.

**Edbear** · 2nd May 2010, 21:59

Originally Posted by SS90

I agree with most of what you say here, and your comments regarding mans strength is valid, however, it is impossible for you to be able to judge a man until you have "walked a mile in his shoes".

Being a man is not easy, you are constantly inundated with "tesoterone bullshit" from the moment you can breath for yourself.

Men like Rugby and drinking Beer (or that's what you are told), and, if not, then you are simply a homo. The end.

Women, constantly manipulate and control men, using there naturally installed sex drive as a weapon against them, they lead men on, deliberately, just to get there way, and, if there is a hint of discontent, "oh, that man is aggressive"

Women like "bad boys", and, despite what you say, if a man (any man) shows kindness, compassion (read weakness), then 99% of women will walk all over that man, they themsleves don't know why, they just do.

You say you "wait to meet a man that is strong enough to be who he wants to be, who he feels he needs to be, who has respect for himself as a man",

I say, you meet these men everyday, you just fail to notice them, because subconciously you are programmed to ignore him....because if a man is weak, then everyone will take advantage of him, and that will make him a bad provider, and, in times of need, not be able to offer you the security that you are pre programmed to be attracted to.

In reality, that is what it is about, Women want security, Men want sex, a man that is perceived as "weak" is really not a good provider, and therefore cannot offer the type of "security" that is needed in the modern world.

When we where living in caves, security was achieved through having the strongest man,(best provider) today, security is achieved in a totally different manner, and, is more complicated (given the extreme social changes we have endured over the last 2000 years.)

Women, to feel secure, don't actually NEED a physically strong man to be secure in this world, any physical element is only part of the equation.

Women need to feel that the man they have "caught" is (at the very least) more desirable than the man there friend has.

This man must be better looking, stronger,richer,funnier etc than their friends man/men. It's all about being better than their friends for a woman, and, in reality, the type of man that most women CLAIM they are looking for most of the time never gets a sniff in.

Think about it, how many single women are there in NZ? don't the single women out number the men?

Why the hell is that?

Most men think with their dick, that's the reason behind most of your post.

**mashman** · 2nd May 2010, 21:59

Originally Posted by Edbear

I think you mean the expression, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink"...

No. I meant what I said... you can only "lead" it to water... you can't make it do anything after that...

Originally Posted by Edbear

The expression about dogs is older than I am and I'm sure most older one's here would have heard of it years ago. It's meaning is that no matter how intelligent, or "instinctively wise" as some biologists refer to animal cleverness, no animal can or ever will be able to conquer Man and dominate in his place. The simple and acknowledged fact is that Mankind posesses a brain of unlimited capacity and something far above animals, his power of thought and reason.

As I said, you can choose to be an animal, an animal cannot choose to be human or take over the planet. No animal could or would ever destroy itself or the planet, only Man has the capacity to so that.

I know this'll sound a little cuckoo... bare with me... I think animals are more human than humans... Humans are able to reason and yet we continue/choose to be animalistic... i think that's what you're saying?... and would you also agree that humans are their own worst enemy and that it's impossible to find a eutopic society because we constantly fuck it up... you've seen plenty of animal documentaties... to me animals have found that eutopic society and are therefore more human than humans. They still fight amongst each other, try to dominate each other, but there's a reason for it... generally there is no malice, life is simple, they are happy... but they all still get on. I'm sure you see what i'm saying. That's why i don't agree with what you mean. We're likely only alive because animals never saw us as a threat because we smile as we assassinate

**Gone Burger** · 2nd May 2010, 22:01

Originally Posted by SS90

I agree with most of what you say here, and your comments regarding mans strength is valid, however, it is impossible for you to be able to judge a man until you have "walked a mile in his shoes".

Being a man is not easy, you are constantly inundated with "tesoterone bullshit" from the moment you can breath for yourself.

Men like Rugby and drinking Beer (or that's what you are told), and, if not, then you are simply a homo. The end.

Women, constantly manipulate and control men, using there naturally installed sex drive as a weapon against them, they lead men on, deliberately, just to get there way, and, if there is a hint of discontent, "oh, that man is aggressive"

Women like "bad boys", and, despite what you say, if a man (any man) shows kindness, compassion (read weakness), then 99% of women will walk all over that man, they themsleves don't know why, they just do.

You say you "wait to meet a man that is strong enough to be who he wants to be, who he feels he needs to be, who has respect for himself as a man",

I say, you meet these men everyday, you just fail to notice them, because subconciously you are programmed to ignore him....because if a man is weak, then everyone will take advantage of him, and that will make him a bad provider, and, in times of need, not be able to offer you the security that you are pre programmed to be attracted to.

In reality, that is what it is about, Women want security, Men want sex, a man that is perceived as "weak" is really not a good provider, and therefore cannot offer the type of "security" that is needed in the modern world.

When we where living in caves, security was achieved through having the strongest man,(best provider) today, security is achieved in a totally different manner, and, is more complicated (given the extreme social changes we have endured over the last 2000 years.)

Women, to feel secure, don't actually NEED a physically strong man to be secure in this world, any physical element is only part of the equation.

Women need to feel that the man they have "caught" is (at the very least) more desirable than the man there friend has.

This man must be better looking, stronger,richer,funnier etc than their friends man/men. It's all about being better than their friends for a woman, and, in reality, the type of man that most women CLAIM they are looking for most of the time never gets a sniff in.

Think about it, how many single women are there in NZ? don't the single women out number the men?

Why the hell is that?

I can understand your point of view. Truely.

Women can do aweful things to a man (and some pretty fantastic things too). Not all women are so manipulating, but of course, unfortunately many are. I have grown up without many girlfriends in my life as they have done just the same to me.. tried to control me, walked all over me. But as I was young, I have let them. Am learning how to change that situation and I feel i am making progress.

I guess that did come across as me "judging" men. I do try not to, quite consiously. But if you did meet the men that I have been working with for almost 10 years now, and put yourself in a womens shoes in that same situation, you might understand why I say what I do. There is a reason not many women work in my industry, and its something you have to experience to understand. I am only now beginning to understand.

As I say, I am young. I am learning.

**huff3r** · 2nd May 2010, 22:02

Originally Posted by mashman

No. I meant what I said... you can only "lead" it to water... you can't make it do anything after that...

I know this'll sound a little cuckoo... bare with me... I think animals are more human than humans... Humans are able to reason and yet we continue/choose to be animalistic... i think that's what you're saying?... and would you also agree that humans are their own worst enemy and that it's impossible to find a eutopic society because we constantly fuck it up... you've seen plenty of animal documentaties... to me animals have found that eutopic society and are therefore more human than humans. They still fight amongst each other, try to dominate each other, but there's a reason for it... generally there is no malice, life is simple, they are happy... but they all still get on. I'm sure you see what i'm saying. That's why i don't agree with what you mean. We're likely only alive because animals never saw us as a threat because we smile as we assassinate

Your assuming that to be "human" is to live in such a peaceful way? You'd be wrong. Being human is about being wrong sometimes. Its about fighting, its about being different.

**Edbear** · 2nd May 2010, 22:03

Originally Posted by mashman

No. I meant what I said... you can only "lead" it to water... you can't make it do anything after that...

I know this'll sound a little cuckoo... bare with me... I think animals are more human than humans... Humans are able to reason and yet we continue/choose to be animalistic... i think that's what you're saying?... and would you also agree that humans are their own worst enemy and that it's impossible to find a eutopic society because we constantly fuck it up... you've seen plenty of animal documentaties... to me animals have found that eutopic society and are therefore more human than humans. They still fight amongst each other, try to dominate each other, but there's a reason for it... generally there is no malice, life is simple, they are happy... but they all still get on. I'm sure you see what i'm saying. That's why i don't agree with what you mean. We're likely only alive because animals never saw us as a threat because we smile as we assassinate

You actually said you can't lead a horse to water, but that must have been a typo?
Aren't you simply reiterating what I have said?

**Headbanger** · 2nd May 2010, 22:16

Originally Posted by Genie

Best to be mad and not look too deep for in looking too deep, one would see just how 'ugly' man really is

Nothing wrong with looking inwards, or looking deep.

The trouble is people who are deluded enough to think whatever conclusion they come to is a cast in stone truth, And that those who don't agree its the truth are just unable to comprehend.

Just as an example, someone claiming to define what every persons "secret dream" is should be treated with a bucket of salt.

**Edbear** · 2nd May 2010, 22:29

Originally Posted by Headbanger

Nothing wrong with looking inwards, or looking deep.

The trouble is people who are deluded enough to think whatever conclusion they come to is a cast in stone truth, And that those who don't agree its the truth are just unable to comprehend.

Just as an example, someone claiming to define what every persons "secret dream" is should be treated with a bucket of salt.

So do tell us what your secret dream is...