Clint Rickards

**rustic101** · 9th May 2010, 20:08

Originally Posted by Goblin

Doesn't matter what he does, the law society have welcomed him. What does this say about our legal system? They trust a thug who has gang raped more than a few women, lied about it and got away with it! Says to me that these people who we are supposed to trust, think its ok to rape!

I sincerely hope you are able to back this up????

Please be aware the internet does not protect you from being prosecuted if someone wished to do so for defamation...

**rustic101** · 9th May 2010, 20:10

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You have openly admitted your guilt not only that but posted it in writing

Were you under duress?

**SS90** · 9th May 2010, 21:29

The thing that no-one here seems to be mentioning is that neither Mr Rickards OR Miss Nicholls are of "high moral character", and while it is clear to any one with half a brain that she is a liar (I have personally spoken to 2 guys that have "had a gangbang" with her, and heard some of the stories about her sexual activities......), and, any Doctor will tell you that such behaviour in a women generally stems from low self asteem.

Mr Rickards, by all accounts, is a manipulative controlling ego maniac (some would say common in the Police force) that likes "a gangbang" (I have no problem with that), but also we all hear stories painting him in a picture of a perverted narcisist who likes to control women (that I have a problem with)

Meh, they are as bad as each other, and, like minds attract.

**Genie** · 9th May 2010, 21:32

Your post is just damn scarey...fuck!

Judgements are reserved for ...........oh yeah I remember the ones that live in glasshouses!

**MIXONE** · 9th May 2010, 21:39

Hey Genie have you seen the guy at all?
He's got as much chance changing from his arrogant ways as I have of sleeping with Jessica Alba.
Absolutely none!

**munster** · 9th May 2010, 22:56

Originally Posted by Genie

All are worthy of forgiveness...all are worthy of the chance to change.

Gotta disagree. I live daily with the results of a repetitive sexual offender. I dare you to try to forgive after seeing what it does to your loved ones.

**Indiana_Jones** · 9th May 2010, 23:26

-Indy

**candor** · 10th May 2010, 00:46

Originally Posted by rustic101

I sincerely hope you are able to back this up????

Please be aware the internet does not protect you from being prosecuted if someone wished to do so for defamation...

Defamation requires not believing your words are true and malice - and that your words have materially provably ill impacted the target eg they lose a job.

I'd say its very defensible to say you believe CR is a rapist, as Louise most certainly would have got an ACC payout and counselling over it so a Govt Dept likely supports it post the trial atop Crown Prosecutions supporting it. And anyway it may not be defamatory to be known as a rapist in all circles either! It could be a good look for a defense layer seeking rapport with clients. "I understand, no I really do".
No objection to him being a defense lawyer, but it is poor form for any agency to employ him in his victims workplace - unless of course she was consulted and consented to this imo.

So what if Nicholas may have consented to gang bangs on occasion, does not mean she consented to one with CR. Thats like saying that because a woman has consensual sex with her husband she must be lying in saying another man raped her. Theres a green light and a red light and they don't always stay the same. Why do some always class females as madonnas or whores not as versatile?

**SS90** · 10th May 2010, 01:30

Originally Posted by candor

So what if Nicholas may have consented to gang bangs on occasion, does not mean she consented to one with CR. Thats like saying that because a woman has consensual sex with her husband she must be lying in saying another man raped her. Theres a green light and a red light and they don't always stay the same. Why do some always class females as madonnas or whores not as versatile?

Please don't think that I a "closet rapist" or some such thing, but we have to temper any judgement we may have for either of the parties concerned with the realities of life.

Women routinely "lead men on", "just for kicks", and anyone who dissagree's is a friggin moron.

That, in itself is "a fact of life", but in a scenario such as this, "being pressured" into such acts is not far from "being submissive".

Miss Nicholas, it would seem partook in this lifestyle before, AND after these events took place....... would a normal reasonable person not go "oh, hang on, my lifestyle choice has just lead to me being pack raped by 3 coppers, and, during which one rammed a batton up my hoohoodilly..... I didn't like that, so, I am going to change my lifestyle"

She tried to get this to court for decades? Huh? what a load of shit. It would only take one trip to her local Woman's refuge, and it would have been on the front pages in 24 hours.

In the meantime, she continued her "gangbang, promiscuous lifestyle"

Victim? I don't think so.

I'm not championing either party (far form it) He life choices led to her being in this situation, and he is a piece of shit, and, to be honest, he will fit right in with Lawyers!

**tigertim20** · 10th May 2010, 01:56

Originally Posted by MisterD

Yes it does. Under our justice system, you are innocent until proven guilty.

tell that to david bain. if you were right he would have been handed a govt cheque for millions momments after the verdict. Goblin is correct in this instance. after an acquittal, there are other rather long and intrusive procedures one must go through to actually prove their innocence. just like david bain is in the process of doing

**Winston001** · 10th May 2010, 01:59

Originally Posted by doc

One of the requirements to be admitted to the bar is that you "Are a fit and proper person" to be admitted. WTF ?

I'm in total agreement. The NZ Law Society dropped the ball on this one and many lawyers are outraged Rickards was admitted to the bar. His application should have been opposed but because he wasn't convicted of anything and had been a senior police officer, the odds of stopping his admission were poor. Even so it would have been far better for a judge to make that decision and who knows, he could have been knocked back.

**Genie** · 10th May 2010, 07:02

Originally Posted by munster

Gotta disagree. I live daily with the results of a repetitive sexual offender. I dare you to try to forgive after seeing what it does to your loved ones.

I personally live daily with the effects of a sexual offender and your dare is worthless for forgiveness has been given.

**Grubber** · 10th May 2010, 07:47

I have the unfortunate title as having known Mr rickards. I know him through a close friend, whom Mr Rickards was in his wedding party. I can assure you, there is more to Mr Rickards than meets the eye. My friend (the wedding man) used to work closely along side CR in the 80's and i met him some time during that period. My friend and his wife including myself have nothing to do with CR anymore. There is a good reason or 2 as to why and most of it doesn't involve just this one issue that went to court. There is a lot more that could be said, but well you know the story with legal issues that could arise. As for Ms Nicholas, you choose your path and it attracts the demons. Not always a good place to file complaints from, no matter how true they may be.

**candor** · 10th May 2010, 12:43

Originally Posted by SS90

Women routinely "lead men on", "just for kicks", and anyone who dissagree's is a friggin moron.

That, in itself is "a fact of life", but in a scenario such as this, "being pressured" into such acts is not far from "being submissive".

Miss Nicholas, it would seem partook in this lifestyle before, AND after these events took place....... would a normal reasonable person not go "oh, hang on, my lifestyle choice has just lead to me being pack raped by 3 coppers, and, during which one rammed a batton up my hoohoodilly..... I didn't like that, so, I am going to change my lifestyle"

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I'm a friggin moron because noone I know leads men on for kicks. There is often a dynamic for a bit of meaningless flirtation. Sometimes this is just conditioned into behaviour. The guys are exoected to put on the red light and play stud. The chicks are a bit culturally conditioned to pander to men ie to be nice. I think it goes back to wartime when men got "big saviour" status. This can be mistaken for sexual interest when it's not. Could just be nurturing behaviour ie warmth.

"Being pressured" - pressure is indicative of predatory, "being submissive" can be a survival response to predation. I don't think submission of the other is the aim of sexual conquest in the human kingdom. Any man seeing submission/ relenting should have real concern this is not consent per se. Many women coming from dysfunctional back grounds eg child sex victims may more easily "submit" to pressure which does not equate to genuine consent. It matters less if you submit to buying a vacuum cleaner from a door to doo salesman but sex salesmen need more principled conduct. Consent is wanting to do something and agreeing wilfully.Teens need to be taught this stuff about human relations.

You said her "lifestyle choice has just lead to (her) being pack raped by 3 cop would a normal reasonable person not go "oh, hang on, my lifestyle choice has just lead to me being pack raped by 3 coppers, and, during which one rammed a batton up my hoohoodilly..... I didn't like that, so, I am going to change my lifestyle" but I disagree. It may have contributed by making herself an easy target situationally or reputationally as predators will go "choice noone will believe this target", but what led to her being raped was the rapists actiion not hers. She did not make people rape - unless you subscribe to the popular theory men have no control over their trouser pack! Men do, its childish prats of the offending type who don't. Men can walk away from temptation just like fights.

So yeah, having heard your 5 cents I'll adjust to say there is red, green and consent orange which you've termed submission under pressure. This is probably where a lot of contested rape claims come from. Judge Heron once advised a jury its not twhether a knife was used at the womanss throat you must considr but whether she then consented! F-wit. But it's rape is submission under pressure and guys need to learn about orange. Sub under pressure can be the point of giving up physical resistance out of fear for the bash, and of no longer saying no because your crying interferes with speech. That is submitting but should it be a permitted score!
Loose women who get victimised are just as much victims as Nuns and maybe moreso as they tend to be revictimised, you say - would a normal reasonable person not go "oh, hang on, my lifestyle choice has just lead to me being pack raped by 3 coppers, and, during which one rammed a batton up my hoohoodilly..... I didn't like that, so, I am going to change my lifestyle".

Maybe but not everyone gets to a nunnery over a bad experience. Why would a woman with psychological issues that express in a promiscuous lifestyle suddenly be cured by being raped, I'd say from everything I've ever seen the issues are just likely to get worse. More alcohol and drug abuse and thereforemore reckless behaviour. Ever heard of post traumatic stress - Vietnam vets etc show it by going into risk situations in peace time/places. Traumatised people often have a need to keep repeating bad situaions to stare deat in the face and see if they can find something different about it or in themselves. Adrenalin can become a need.