No more domestic applications (but international fine WTF!)

[mashman]

Unbefuckinlievable... no places for Kiwi students... but plenty for international students...

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-sto...-restrictions/

[huff3r]

Unbefuckinlievable... no places for Kiwi students... but plenty for international students...

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-sto...-restrictions/

Did you read why? It's because the University cannot afford more domestic students, as the government will not give them more money for more students. However International students pay the FULL cost of their studies (some 3 or 4 times the subsidised cost domestic students pay). Meaning the Uni can easily afford more of them.

[bogan]

Did you read why? It's because the University cannot afford more domestic students, as the government will not give them more money for more students. However International students pay the FULL cost of their studies (some 3 or 4 times the subsidised cost domestic students pay). Meaning the Uni can easily afford more of them.

I think thats his point dude, govt should be investing more in higher education, as its good for economy in the long term etc.

[firefighter]

I am equally pissed at this.

I can fully understand it's a business, and international students pay waaaay more. But closing the doors on the home countries students is pretty shit-house. Denying education to domestic students IS descrimmination, no matter which way you look at it.

Besides the crimminal stuff, denying domestic students education and giving it to overseas students-who will then use that education overseas is hardly a good thing.....

[huff3r]

I think thats his point dude, govt should be investing more in higher education, as its good for economy in the long term etc.

Ok, yeah in that case I agree. I just think people need to make sure they know who is at fault here... i.e the Government, rather than the Uni itself

[huff3r]

I am equally pissed at this.

I can fully understand it's a business, and international students pay waaaay more. But closing the doors on the home countries students is pretty shit-house. Denying education to domestic students IS descrimmination, no matter which way you look at it.

I'm sure theyd take domestic students if they paid the FULL fees, but what domestic student would? Otherwise they simply cannot take them, it'd be like selling medicine for a subsidised price without getting the subsidy. Its more than bad for business, it's crippling.

[Tank]

Perhaps if they stopped all the funding for useless degrees - then there would be more room for "proper" students.

[bogan]

Besides the crimminal stuff, denying domestic students education and giving it to overseas students-who will then use that education overseas is hardly a good thing.....

but giving it to domestic students who will then use that education overseas is a good thing?

Perhaps if they stopped all the funding for useless degrees - then there would be more room for "proper" students.

fuck yeh, charge more for degrees that nobody actually needs and vice versa, BA 2k per paper, BEng 100bung per paper

[firefighter]

[B]

Perhaps if they stopped all the funding for useless degrees - then there would be more room for "proper" students.

Absolutely

I'm sure theyd take domestic students if they paid the FULL fees, but what domestic student would? Otherwise they simply cannot take them, it'd be like selling medicine for a subsidised price without getting the subsidy. Its more than bad for business, it's crippling.

I can fully understand it's a business, and international students pay waaaay more.

I reaslise that, hence I state I know it's a business. There should be more support for local students, if it means getting rid of pointless degrees then i'm all for that.

but giving it to domestic students who will then use that education overseas is a good thing?

Of course not. I bet more domestic students stay than foreign students do.....plus if they do leave, for most N.Z is still home, and any overseas experience eventually finds it's way back.....and eventually benefits N.Z, which is better than "wham bam, thanks for the degree i'm fucken off for good."

In fact, thinking about it, it's probably better that some of the students fuck-off overseas, and bring back the experience gained.....(like is the usual scenario)

[rainman]

Perhaps if they stopped all the funding for useless degrees - then there would be more room for "proper" students.

Wouldn't that be "picking winners", about which I understand the received wisdom from the looney right, sorry, libertarian orthodoxy, is that governments don't do that well?

[bogan]

Wouldn't that be "picking winners", about which I understand the received wisdom from the looney right, sorry, libertarian orthodoxy, is that governments don't do that well?

just make it policy for the uni to do it, theres some really smart people in dem places

[rainman]

just make it policy for the uni to do it, theres some really smart people in dem places

Um, what? How would that be different to today?

[bogan]

Um, what? How would that be different to today?

cost of papers would be different, as far as I'm aware pretty much all papers are round the $500 mark.

[mashman]

Once upon a time, and not so long ago, education was free... Successful governments have changed that and keep taking bites out of the education budget as the country gets richer... but it's ok, there's several hundred million going into technology for R & D purposes... I'd rather see that money going into education... after all it's the people that undertake the R & D... what's the point in R & D if your workforce isn't skilled?

Education is for those that can afford it, because it is now a business... and the govt aren't prepared to invest in the people... Catch 22 anyone? but who gives a fuck as long as there's bums on seats... makes the figures look good... I perish to thnink about the "minds" that are being lost...

[Tank]

Wouldn't that be "picking winners", about which I understand the received wisdom from the looney right, sorry, libertarian orthodoxy, is that governments don't do that well?

Its simple - if it has the word "arts" in it - make em pay for their useless hobby course.

and night classes - Im glad they are making 'em pay for that as well.