Dear Mr English, I don't want a tax cut

[mashman]

so you don't really know or understand? You reckon they were selling you porkies then?

I don't fully know and I don't fully understand (don't really want to on either account, for obvious reasons), mainly an uneducated guess (although my wife has had discussions with those in the know in regards to the rental loopholes, but i never listen to her ) I'm pretty sure they weren't telling me porkies... I shall try to clarify when next we meet.

What's an Aprilia got to do with anything?

That's what i keep saying :rotf: was hoping you had the answer

[mashman]

So you political fuckers, have ANY of you even to BOTHER looking at my new Ride thread and drool over its awesomeness...........No ya fucking havent have ya, did you forget this is a biker site (when it suits me) FFS Im cool as a mutha fucker and you aint even said so !

Yes i saw your R1... but it's a jappa... what do ya expect ... am sure you're having fun...

[Mully]

How does one fill in an MR27 form on the interdweeb, to extend the registration period?

Oh. Well then it's your own fault for trying to deny our noble Gummint of ACC revenue. And for that, you must deal with Kiwibank customers at your Post Shop. (also, who goes into a bank these days? Madness)

[Swoop]

(also, who goes into a bank these days?)

Apparently Kiwiwank customers are unable to comprehend the internet.
The amount of them paying telescum bills is really quite astounding.

[Mully]

Apparently Kiwiwank customers are unable to comprehend the internet.
The amount of them paying telescum bills is really quite astounding.

Far be it from me to suggest that their phone is about to get cut-off and they need a Post office receipt rather than internet banking delays to avoid termination.

Plus, cash deals are harder to funnel through a bank.

[eelracing]

I want to see more Financial Company Executive jobs in NZ coz those cunts have got it so good.Raping and screwing over middle class shmucks is easy work man.

I just wish they would take their holidays in NZ and contribute to the tourist industry here instead of overseas.

God knows Hotchin is throwing it around like it's going out of fashion.
Fuck knows why he did'nt ask good mate John for the use of his Hawaiian home free of charge ...I don't know,call these cunts enterprising?

They'll always look after their own in the end.

[rainman]

To live in a country that rewards clever and hard working people, not just people who own stuff.

Good post. Don't disagree with any of it, really. Interested to hear more about what you mean by the line above, in practical terms.
BTW, I'd love a tax increase - but by means of increasing my income. I'm earning such a little amount at the mo I doubt I'll need to pay tax at all. Oh, and some useful facts on NZ tax are here.

You spending an extra 30-40 a week is much more effective when it ends up in private business hands vs govt coffers.

A popular line, but not clear it's actually true. I have come across horrendously inefficient operations in both private and public organisations, and you need to provide more justification (not ideology) if you claim that the difference in (in)efficiency is greater than the difference contributed by the need for profit. Also, private business tends to do the easy stuff - making and shipping stuff - while public orgs do more complex things with difficult social outcomes. It's not apples with apples.

It is a myth that private business is more efficient than government, but one that Act works hard to promulgate and one that will have us all paying even more for ACC.

+1

You forgot that private companies compete for business.
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A clear example is Kiwibank, they charge similar to market rates but you still get a shit service.

Competition only improves some markets - consumer goods, no question. Healthcare, education, security, employment... not so much.
And, I've only ever had excellent service from Kiwibank, compared to mostly good although unimaginative service from BNZ, and absolute crap service from others.

history proves to me the the government cant run a health system a education system or any system well
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Oh and for the people on the Dole, if they cant support themselves via their own families to fucken bad Im done supporting every lazy fucker in this country

Interesting view of history. Healthcare here is far from perfect but a helluva lot better than places without a fallback state system. Cough, USA, cough. Besides, the problems in transitioning to private outweigh the benefits.

I agree you shouldn't have to support lazy fuckers, none of us should. The trick is identifying them, and differentiating between those who are lazy, those who are incapable, those who are temporarily fallen on hard times, etc. No government of any shade has done this well, and I've never seen a realistic proposal from an anti-bludger to say how to do this effectively. Got any real ideas?

if the left had its way - we would be rid of the rich pricks (we will tax 'em out of the country) - and then it will be a beautiful socialist paradise with no evil businessmen (capital bastards all of em).

Of course they forget - that only leave the 'poor' to fund the roads, hospitals, working for families etc - and so it becomes a downward spiral. Of course they forget all about that - and simply expect the government to borrow more money.

A bit of a generalisation re "the left", but moving along. You make a generally valid point, but it's not a simple as that. We certainly need more productive exporting enterprise so we can afford to run the place without falling further down the debthole, but a problem is we don't have the capability to do this today, and no-one is building it. (Plus the economic environment is hostile to this). Infrastructure is only part of the requirement - you also have to build human capital and manage the economic environment so that small business can prosper and become bigger business. The problem is that Labour doesn't see this clearly or do it well, and National/Act believes that the market will sort it out so they don't have to do anything. It won't; our current course is to tenancy in our own country, higher inequality, lower social outcomes, increased debt, and, through global wage arbitrage, lower overall wages. Ultimately leading to the same place as Greece or California, even though our spending is not as extreme as theirs - but it's not the absolute value that matters, it's the amount relative to our income.

Anyway, I've never met a person earning more than say $200k who was worth a knob of goat shit as a manager. If the very wealthy (not $70k+, actual real wealthy people) buggered off tomorrow I don't think it would be a great loss tbh. Paul Reynolds hardly delivers value to NZ commensurate with his pay, as an example. The trick is identifying the rich "pricks" and not punishing the rich "good guys", same problem for all bludgers.

Give me the $30, keep the $30. The cheap tramp that just dropped out of highschool is still going to expect the rest of us to pay to raise her 3 fatherless children. It's her entitlement.
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The guy that is out of work and his case worker could both be helping to provide clean, well maintained roads for us to ride our motorcycles on. Or they might join the ranks of those in our defence forces, in case they are ever needed in times of war or crisis... They might even like to help out at the local community garden... Maybe they could help out around the local high school with minor tasks. Perhaps they could do some of these things without shame and with a sense of dignity.

So, how to fix the culture of entitlement, which we arguably can't afford in it's current form - without screwing over the genuinely needy?
I'd be happy to help fix the roads, or do whatever. (Might skip being in the army, it's a young man's game, that). I am already involved in a community garden (lobbying councils for more of them, in fact), help out at the school, etc. Problem is I can't pay the mortgage with dignity, the bank wants money.

So you political fuckers, have ANY of you even to BOTHER looking at my new Ride thread and drool over its awesomeness...

Yeah I did but it wasn't a cruiser so I passed on by... Only kidding, it's a nice bike and I hope you enjoy it.

I want to see more Financial Company Executive jobs in NZ coz those cunts have got it so good.Raping and screwing over middle class shmucks is easy work man....
They'll always look after their own in the end.

Yeah these Randian Supermen are a lovely lot, aren't they?

(Must write shorter comments. Sorry).

[schrodingers cat]

I think it would be really interesting for someone with a few clues to work out what percentage of wages workers pay directly and indirectly (Tax on fuel, GST, Rego, Tarrifs, ACC blah blah) in tax.
I'm guessing a good 85% plus

Some government policies to generate some wealth (ie manufacturing) and keep it churning in this country rather than disappearing offshore would be a good start. That would create a few more jobs.
I like that we have social security but it is soooooooo expensive paying for the unemployable

[Smifffy]

@Rainman, yes when I was writing my post, I did have a line there about people that already do the volunteer stuff, but I must have removed it. I also think that these kinds of things are a way of differentiating between the bludgers and those in need of a hand. I think that most people that are in need of a hand are prepared to do something in return. I'm not even talking about a full 40 hours at the community garden, maybe 4 hours a week. Maybe at the SPCA or somewhere. Maybe cleaning up all the crap that gets dumped in the creeks and waterways.

Maybe the system could be tiered, so that there is some kind of incentive for those that do the bit extra.

Maybe someone will pipe up that 4 hours a week is a bit much to expect, when it's so difficult already being out of work. If you can't find a 4 hour slot once a week, I seriously doubt your commitment to finding any kind of work.

Of course a lot of these activities are the things that always thought the people sentenced to community service etc were doing, but I'm fucked if I know what they actually do.

[rainman]

Maybe the system could be tiered, so that there is some kind of incentive for those that do the bit extra.

The trick is the incentive actually needs to be monetary, so it just becomes a work for the dole scheme. Then you get complaints about state employment, make-work schemes, unfair competition with the free market, etc. And, of course, the tax-payer still has to pay for it (business can't do these sorts of things in a meaningful way, without adversely affecting profitability). So what's the actual difference between paying people to do fairly useless stuff, and paying people for doing nowt? Maybe that the libertarians will use it as an example of government inefficiency...

Pretty hard to do, this social welfare stuff. maybe that's why no-one gets it right!

[spajohn]

Modern government is surprisingly efficient and well run...

That doesn't describe any of the government departments I've worked with in Wellington. One in particular sent 6, I repeat 6, contractors to watch 1 of our staff be instructed on how to answer an 0800 line for them. Naturally I can't name names, but quite frankly the government department bloat is unacceptable and go National with axing them!

[Bald Eagle]

Of course a lot of these activities are the things that always thought the people sentenced to community service etc were doing, but I'm fucked if I know what they actually do.

Eat sandwichs and learn from their peers how not to get caught next time.

[Quasievil]

I agree you shouldn't have to support lazy fuckers, none of us should. The trick is identifying them, and differentiating between those who are lazy, those who are incapable, those who are temporarily fallen on hard times, etc. No government of any shade has done this well, and I've never seen a realistic proposal from an anti-bludger to say how to do this effectively. Got any real ideas?

Yup, sort ya shit out or A wall and and big fucking gun opposite it

yeah kinda in that mood today........never take me to seriously

[rainman]

Yup, sort ya shit out or A wall and and big fucking gun opposite it

yeah kinda in that mood today........never take me to seriously

I never do...

...but if you ever do have any real ideas feel free to post 'em.

I see the Greens have weighed in with some of their ideas. PDF here. I haven't fully read it yet but I assume it will be despised here because of where it comes from. And maybe because it's funded from CGT on investment properties.

[shrub]

That doesn't describe any of the government departments I've worked with in Wellington. One in particular sent 6, I repeat 6, contractors to watch 1 of our staff be instructed on how to answer an 0800 line for them. Naturally I can't name names, but quite frankly the government department bloat is unacceptable and go National with axing them!

I'm sure there are many cases like that, but I know of several government employees who work phenonominally hard and do an excellent job. Axing infrastructure is always a great way to bring overheads down in both the private and public the only problem is that in almost every recorded instance over the last 20 years or so it has ended up with serioulsly damaging the business unit concerned. Kind of like drilling your swingarm to remove unsprung weight.