250 gp bikes for f3

[crazy man]

seems a crazy thing to do when they are a f2 bike! l got told a japanese rider could get into the min 8's in the 90's at manfeld on one!

[JayRacer37]

seems a crazy thing to do when they are a f2 bike! l got told a japanese rider could get into the min 8's in the 90's at manfeld on one!

Wooohooo! Get those proper racebikes racing somewhere. The more bikes the merrier - and if it get's those enthusiast's 250's out of the garage awesome! They are also opening out the 650 twins rules to suit though I belive, so the playing feild should not be too far off level. 90's manfeild was a far better track (surface/grip) so I'm told than how it is now. Also lazy cyl'd 600's can really move.

Anyone got a mid 90's TZ250 they would like to sell?

[crazy man]

they would be better in the 125 class in a steped race as a seperate race. seen the 125s's are not so big

[JayRacer37]

they would be better in the 125 class in a steped race as a seperate race. seen the 125s's are not so big

But a 250 will absolutly wipe the floor with a 125. With a F3 Twin, like KB's own Glen Williams, or Terry Fitzgerald or Jason Easton, they all have around the 80hp mark, maybe a bit more, and all are getting very light with high quality frames and suspension. With parts prices and the avalibility of tuners in NZ, a 250 competing there is only going to be around the 75-80hp mark. It will have an advantage in weight. But if you look back over the last seasons 250's ran in NZ and compared their times to the F3 class at the same meetings, I think that most all of the time the F3 bikes would be winning. It will still come down to riders - it just gives another type of bike and therefore another intrest group somewhere to disply, ride and enjoy their racebikes. At the moment all they are doing is hiding in sheds, but this might be the incentive needed to get them out. If not, it won't make a difference either way

[crazy man]

all l know is there is a lot more 400's lying around than 250 gp bikes. they then should have pro twins with 400 4s!. ps l like a challenge dont like things handed to me!

[quallman1234]

But a 250 will absolutly wipe the floor with a 125. With a F3 Twin, like KB's own Glen Williams, or Terry Fitzgerald or Jason Easton, they all have around the 80hp mark, maybe a bit more, and all are getting very light with high quality frames and suspension. With parts prices and the avalibility of tuners in NZ, a 250 competing there is only going to be around the 75-80hp mark. It will have an advantage in weight. But if you look back over the last seasons 250's ran in NZ and compared their times to the F3 class at the same meetings, I think that most all of the time the F3 bikes would be winning. It will still come down to riders - it just gives another type of bike and therefore another intrest group somewhere to disply, ride and enjoy their racebikes. At the moment all they are doing is hiding in sheds, but this might be the incentive needed to get them out. If not, it won't make a difference either way

Agreed. The 125's/250's/350's/500's (If they are any), will be battling against each other in the "GP Class" @ TRRS.
Should be bloody cool watching (for me from inside the race itself) the new 125 riders verus the old men left on the other gp bikes. Hehe.

[steveyb]

seems a crazy thing to do when they are a f2 bike! l got told a japanese rider could get into the min 8's in the 90's at manfeld on one!

Typical half-baked comment.
NZ does not have a national Formula 2 class, so how does that comment help?
The bikes that the Japanese were riding back in the days of the Pan-Pacific series (bet you thought it was some club race) were not the same as the bikes we have available to us here.
Much closer to factory bikes than production bikes.

Have a look at the laptimes and see that in all reality, against modern 600s and the best riders riding 600, there is no competition.
Against modern F3 bikes they are competitive.
But I do agree that the latest model bikes would be too fast for F3 as it stands now.
Go on, get a 250 or blag a ride on one and see how you "get things handed to you".

[JayRacer37]

all l know is there is a lot more 400's lying around than 250 gp bikes. they then should have pro twins with 400 4s!. ps l like a challenge dont like things handed to me!

And 400's have had two classes for years (PC J & F3), yet they are still in the shed. They will also still be there in F3 - if people want to race them. It's like when 650's twins were allowed in. There is always going to be someone wanting it to be the same as it was in 1989. I think its great that there are some (any?) ideas out there to mix up what is becoming a group of quite stagnant classes.

[JayRacer37]

Typical half-baked comment.
NZ does not have a national Formula 2 class, so how does that comment help?
The bikes that the Japanese were riding back in the days of the Pan-Pacific series (bet you thought it was some club race) were not the same as the bikes we have available to us here.
Much closer to factory bikes than production bikes.

Have a look at the laptimes and see that in all reality, against modern 600s and the best riders riding 600, there is no competition.
Against modern F3 bikes they are competitive.
But I do agree that the latest model bikes would be too fast for F3 as it stands now.
Go on, get a 250 or blag a ride on one and see how you "get things handed to you".

Your dead right Steve. If it was bikes pre 98 (maybe 97 - when did the TZ's have the big upgrade?) they arn't going to have much if any advantage. And you need to have a decent rider to be getting the best out of them - or someone who is an enthusiast and gets a kick out of being able to race their bikes. The 250GP guys are a pretty hardcore crew...not much else is going to do it for them bike-wise eh Steve. You'll have to get the RS back out...

[crazy man]

for god sake work it out 600s then do l have to spell it to you! steveyb

[codgyoleracer]

Interesting idea that 250 thing - up side would be, More bikes in F3, More "fast bikes" in F3, More riders in racing generally, + adds a bit of spice and a few different noises to the norm of the last few years " Boom - Boom" . Downside, A modern one would a dot in the distance (when ridden half decently......... even Jay can punt one :-) ), Two strokes are being canned worldwide so should NZ be following ?, Will it bring new riders in or simply transfer existing ones to different machines ?.

Time will tell , but in my opinion it is definatley worth openly discussing the option and seeing what comes out in the wash.

Crazyman can re-call his glory days on 400's ! and getting his arse handed to him by 250GP bikes way back when, not sure that it would totally be the case now (if the same era 250s were out there against a hot Aprillia / SV / et all.

StevyB, how bout we restirct 250s to riders that are Hawaian shirt wearing ex surfi types, with high acedemic levels & who live in Wellywood....... ? ( ;-) )

[crazy man]

hotted up 250 prody bikes would be a good start. as l remember in the first 2 hour race at manfeild 2 tz 250s come home first and sec . bet the 1000s!

[JayRacer37]

hotted up 250 prody bikes would be a good start. as l remember in the first 2 hour race at manfeild 2 tz 250s come home first and sec . bet the 1000s!

They are still legal in F3...not competitive though, maybe against the 400's...

[Whitebait]

They are still legal in F3...not competitive though, maybe against the 400's...

My vote would be with relaxing the proddy rules for 250's if they are gonna let GP bike in there!

[lostinflyz]

as a point a competitive f3 bike will run you at least 20k to setup (as an absolute minimum/ well no ones done it for less but not many have done it)

how much pre 98 rs/tz could you get for that???? I imagine it would be quite alot. ok the setup and running costs are high-ish (probably not a whole lot more than my sxv will be though).