I'm not greenie - but FFS BP - you arseholes

[Indiana_Jones]

Yes it is BP's fuck up........but it was the US Govt that gave them the opportunity first.

What sort of argument is that?

"The dealership sold him the car that he did 230 kph in and killed that family of 4 when he crashed into them, it's their fault"

"That knife shop sold that man a knife which he used to stab 2 girls on the weekend, it's their fault"

-Indy

[rustic101]

And they will still bend you over and pump you up the arse when you get petrol.

[awayatc]

And they will still bend you over and pump you up the arse when you get petrol.

Maybe you should change servo.......?

[Dafe]

So whose taking a second look at BP service stations?

The oil has been spewing into the Gulf since the 22nd April 2010.
It's just disgusting that nothing has been done a month and a half later.

Out of Morality, I stopped using BP service stations (normally my first choice) over 4 weeks ago.
Obviously, Plenty of people keep supporting BP as there appears to be no kickback noted in the media. It's sad when people can't be arsed to give a little to take a stand, no matter how small....

So my question to you is.... Are you going to take a stance?

[toycollector10]

I'm disgusted about what I read in The Press this morning. The BP CEO wants his life back. What a prick. When the hurricane season kicks-in in about a month or so the oil is really going to hit the bayou.

I've long since stopped buying their product. I want their share price to sink to 5 cents and for the whole money hungry pack of bastards to go to the wall. To send a message to all other oil explorers. To get it right, keep it clean or you will simply disappear as a commercial entity.

What about the shit they get up to in Nigeria? Corporate ethics? What a joke, it's Gordon Gekko but this time on methane and crude, all over again.

Make no mistake, this whole ugly saga has been brought about by BP increasing the drilling rate and at the same time knowing the rubber blow out preventer had been stuffed by someone trying to pull the bit out when the thing had closed.

It's just greed and destruction of the environment and the animals and birds and plants that live in it.

And don't forget Halliburton's involvement. Our old mate Dick Cheney as VP. And we all know the level of death, destruction and general greed that surrounds that little outfit.

This is bigger than Chernobyl and makes Three Mile Island and the Exxon Valdez look like a bloody kids picnic party

[Hitcher]

What a lot of emotive clap trap.

BP didn't deliberately cause this leak. The leak appears to be caused by an unfortunate coincidence of factors with a catastrophic outcome.

Mining oil is a risky business. While risks can be mitigated they can never be eliminated.

The costs to environment and to BP as a consequence of this event will be huge. Insurance will not be BP's saviour for an event of this scale. I presume that they are self-insured through some mechanism because no insurance company or consortium of companies would cover a risk of this magnitude.

US government bullying of BP won't make the fix any faster. It's clearly a complex task or it would have been sorted by now.

You are all petrolheads. Last time I looked you seemed to be happy to consume motor spirits and enjoy the benefits associated with this product. So enough of hypocrisy and faux outrage already.

I bear BP no ill will and will continue to procure their products. FFS, in New Zealand it's exactly the same product as that sold by the other oil companies (with the possible exception of Gull in some locations).

[Coldrider]

They saved US$500,000 per rig by not intalling relief valves.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0321388420100503

[Dafe]

What a lot of emotive clap trap.

BP didn't deliberately cause this leak. The leak appears to be caused by an unfortunate coincidence of factors with a catastrophic outcome.

Mining oil is a risky business. While risks can be mitigated they can never be eliminated.

The unfortunate coincidence of factors with the catastrophic outcome appears to be associated to cutting corners and neglect of maintenance in a race toward higher profits.
The engine room staff numbers on the BP operated rig had been cut back by %50. No wonder maintenance had fallen behind and couldn't keep up.

Below is an media extract from discussions made between the Rig owners/operators and the House Judiciary Committee & Congress.

Robert Kaluza, BP's well site leader on the Deepwater Horizon, was scheduled to testify but has exercised his Fifth Amendment right to not incriminate himself.
Kohnke also said BP has balked at sharing critical documents with Transocean, including well pressure data.
"What was going on down in the hole? They know that. We're not seeing what they know," Kohnke said. "I don't know that it's a stall tactic. I don't know what it is. All I know is that we want this information."

Seems there is strong evidence that the BP operated Rig was involved in serious safety issues. Withholding pressure information that may have forced the BP operated rig to cease drilling operations. It looks like the pressure data was withheld in favour of keeping the oil flowing......... Good one BP, or perhaps this is BP's method of risk mitigation?


"They gambled with our lives," laborer Stephen Stone told the House Judiciary Committee

[Dafe]

They saved US$500,000 per rig by not intalling relief valves.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0321388420100503

This is BP's method of Risk Mitigation.
Emotive Clap Trap! LOL

[Winston001]

What a lot of emotive clap trap.

BP didn't deliberately cause this leak. The leak appears to be caused by an unfortunate coincidence of factors with a catastrophic outcome.

Mining oil is a risky business. While risks can be mitigated they can never be eliminated.

The costs to environment and to BP as a consequence of this event will be huge. Insurance will not be BP's saviour for an event of this scale. I presume that they are self-insured through some mechanism because no insurance company or consortium of companies would cover a risk of this magnitude.

US government bullying of BP won't make the fix any faster. It's clearly a complex task or it would have been sorted by now.

You are all petrolheads. Last time I looked you seemed to be happy to consume motor spirits and enjoy the benefits associated with this product. So enough of hypocrisy and faux outrage already.

I bear BP no ill will and will continue to procure their products. FFS, in New Zealand it's exactly the same product as that sold by the other oil companies (with the possible exception of Gull in some locations).

Agreed - very sensible.

There are at least 2 parties here. Transoceanic which owned and operated the drilling rig. And BP which owned the hole. BP engineers were responsible for various drilling decisions such as using sea-water instead of mud to restrain the gas pressure in the well. Unfortunately the bore blew out - bad call. Tragic for the 14 guys who died.

Nobody but nobody spends two hundred million dollars building a rig to drill a well if its going to blow to pieces. Thousands of off-shore wells have been drilled all over the world and the number of disasters is tiny. The last big one was in the North Sea about 15 years ago. It is a very complex and high risk business but surprisingly effective.

Ultimately we the general public scream for oil - we love it. And its always too expensive in our opinion. And then we complain when an oil company tries to manage its costs...??

[SMOKEU]

I only ever buy BP petrol. Might as well run a high performance engine on 98 octane petrol.

[oldrider]

Where there is life there is risk, where there is risk there is catastrophe, where there is catastrophe there are opinions, where there are opinions there will be opportunity for agendas!

This (from another forum) caught my attention:

What Is an Environmentalist, Anyway?
(Posted by Thomas DiLorenzo on June 1, 2010)

After four decades of observing the antics of the “environmental movement,” a clear definition of an “environmentalist” would be:
A communist hiding behind a green facade. A watermelon; green on the outside, red on the inside. He wants to destroy capitalism as much as possible and replace it with socialist central planning. The professed concern for Mother Earth is only a means to the real end.

By contrast, a conservationist is one who is genuinely concerned about conserving natural resources.

Here in NZ most of the professed "greenies" fit into the "forgive them father they know not what they do" brigade, as they follow the "Green" flag of the "red gutted" watermelons controlling the Green Party!

[Naki Rat]

This is a result of BP cutting corners in a situation where extremely difficult operational conditions made such actions foolhardy to say the least. Despite the mantra of "safety first" continually being drilled into those who work in the oil industry, when push comes to shove the dollar takes preference - I know because I have seen it first hand

And while I found the story chilling from the electronics tech that has told the world via 60 Minutes, I am far from surprised. Don't think that BP deserve all the blame here though as any one of many companies could have had this happen to them as the operational pressures toward production are present throughout the industry - BP just got unlucky this time.

As Barrack Obama included in a recent speech on the GOM situation, this type of incident will increase in frequency as the world is forced to search further and deeper to find the oil that feeds our insatiable need for hydrocarbon fuels. This spill is the worst US oil spill to date, but it will not be the last. Welcome to the post-Peak Oil world

[PirateJafa]

Boycotting BP? You dumb fucking lemmings.

You must have had your heads buried faaaar in the sand to not have known that essentially every oil company has been doing this for years. Shell and Chevron in Africa. Mobil in Alaska. Now BP in the gulf.

The NZ Herald ran a surprisingly good article on it just this week: Nigeria's ignored catastrophe dwarfs US oil spill

The only reason people care this time is because it's the USA that is finally being affected.

There are no "good" oil companies. Either boycott the lot, or none at all.

[Naki Rat]

Obvious really