Do we really know just how serious the oil spill is?

**Naki Rat** · 10th June 2010, 13:18

Originally Posted by T.G.W

Survivors Account - Interview with CNN...http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/06/08...gns/index.html

And here's the Conspiracy Theory........http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1367.htm

That CNN interview reinforces the accusations of the electronics tech who was interviewed on 60 Minutes. That bunch of guys are suffering post traumatic stress and grappling with discovering the realities of the 'safety' culture in their previous workplace. My earlier comments about the practicalities of employees who call for work to stop due to their safety concerns would also seem to be founded.

One thought however is that in a dynamic and potentially rapidly worsening situation such as they were faced with stopping is not an option and to try to is probably the worst thing you could do. Sort of like deciding to stop your motorcycle when you slip on a diesel spill, when what you should have done is taken more notice of the slick a km or two back down the road.

The conspiracy theory link doesn't deserve a second glance. Fantasy from the ignorant and/or deranged

**lorenzo.V** · 10th June 2010, 13:28

The spill will be many times larger, with far greater reaching consequences than what people are told, just like any other major disaster, eg Chernobyl was a lot worse than the the russians let on. Only years later did we begin to unravel some of the effects. It's the same here. Accidents happen, but they will always be 'controlled' and played down to what thay think people will accept/tolerate etc.
It's always a PR/image/protection/control/money thing.
Don't trust The Machine!

**mashman** · 10th June 2010, 13:37

Originally Posted by lorenzo.V

The spill will be many times larger, with far greater reaching consequences than what people are told, just like any other major disaster, eg Chernobyl was a lot worse than the the russians let on. Only years later did we begin to unravel some of the effects. It's the same here. Accidents happen, but they will always be 'controlled' and played down to what thay think people will accept/tolerate etc.
It's always a PR/image/protection/control/money thing.
Don't trust The Machine!

and there isn't a damned thing you, I or anyone else can or will do about it... there are money and jobs on the line... letting Transocean/BP/Shell etc... fail will cause a depression the likes of which the planet has never known... in this day and age we don't do failure... we just do blame then business as usual...

**SPman** · 10th June 2010, 14:00

Some recent quotes

A month after the blow-out, BP has finally been able to control and choke off the press.

BP said it will pay all 'legit' claims. Exxon said that in Valdez. What Exxon paid was a $400 million bonus to their CEO.

http://www.gregpalast.com/slick-oper...ell/#more-3650
http://www.gregpalast.com/smart-pig-...eek/#more-3759

**SPman** · 10th June 2010, 14:22

From another site

Schlumberger people on board to do cement bond log told bp that they should kill the well or it'll turn bad, bp refused, schlumberger said "right we're out of here on the next chopper", company man said there's no choppers until next week so get back to work. Schlumberger rings onshore, charters their own chopper to evacuate and six hours after they go the explosion occurs.

anyone else heard this?

And another interesting site
http://drillingclub.proboards.com/in...rd=oildrilling

**twotyred** · 10th June 2010, 15:11

here's the worst scenario i have yet come across for this catastrophe...

SUMMARY OF WHAT IS HAPPENING

The estimated super high pressure release of oil from under the earth's crust is between 80,000 to 100,000 barrels per day.

The flow of oil and toxic gases is bringing up with it... rocks and sand which causes the flow to create a sandblasting effect on the remaining well head device currently somewhat restricting the flow, as well as the drilled hole itself.

As the well head becomes worn it enlarges the passageway allowing an ever-increasing flow. Even if some device could be placed onto the existing wellhead, it would not be able to shut off the flow, because what remains of the existing wellhead would not be able to contain the pressure.

The well head piping is originally about 2 inches thick. It is now likely to be less than 1 inch thick, and thinning by each passing moment. The oil has now reached the Gulf Stream and is entering the Oceanic current which is at least four times stronger than the current in the Gulf, which will carry it throughout the world within 18 months.

The oil along with the gasses, including benzene and many other toxins, is deleting the oxygen in the water. This is killing all life in the ocean. Along with the oil along the shores, there will be many dead fish, etc. that will have to be gathered and disposed of.

SUMMARY OF EXPECTATIONS

At some point the drilled hole in the earth will enlarge itself beneath the wellhead to weaken the area the wellhead rests upon. The intense pressure will then push the wellhead off the hole allowing a direct unrestricted flow of oil, etc.

The hole will continue to increase in size allowing more and more oil to rise into the Gulf. After several billion barrels of oil have been released, the pressure within the massive cavity five miles beneath the ocean floor will begin to normalize.

This will allow the water, under the intense pressure at 1 mile deep, to be forced into the hole and the cavity where the oil was. The temperature at that depth is near 400 degrees, possibly more.

The water will be vaporized and turned into steam, creating an enormous amount of force, lifting the Gulf floor. It is difficult to know how much water will go down to the core and therefore, its not possible to fully calculate the rise of the floor.

The tsunami wave this will create will be anywhere from 20 to 80 feet high, possibly more. Then the floor will fall into the now vacant chamber. This is how nature will seal the hole.

Depending on the height of the tsunami, the ocean debris, oil, and existing structures that will be washed away on shore and inland, will leave the area from 50 to 200 miles inland devoid of life. Even if the debris is cleaned up, the contaminants that will be in the ground and water supply will prohibit re-population of these areas for an unknown number of years.

(End of scientists information release.) From Tom Buyea FL News Service

http://americanlibertyriders.ning.co...o-pressure-too

**SPORK** · 10th June 2010, 15:57

Ah yes, I generally DO get my trusted scientific theories from people posting under the username "Terminator Girl" on what seems to be an ill-informed right-wing gathering hole for the stupid.

**Naki Rat** · 10th June 2010, 18:41

Originally Posted by twotyred

here's the worst scenario i have yet come across for this catastrophe... Etc etc blah blah

......

You shouldn't believe all that shit you find on the interweb. That drivel goes in the same bin as the North Koreans torpedoing the rig

**YellowDog** · 10th June 2010, 19:42

Well it's not all bad.....

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6573FD20100609

**spacemonkey** · 10th June 2010, 20:59

Originally Posted by YellowDog

Well it's not all bad.....

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6573FD20100609

Actually it could be pretty bad.......

With a share price drop like that all the finance outfits that BP owes (and there will be a lot outstanding in a company like BP) will start screaming for their money back as it would have been based on the value of the company (as expressed in share price) as security....... Before Bopal no one would have thought that Union Carbide would go under either. And how much did what was left of that company pay towards cleanup/compensation?

**mashman** · 11th June 2010, 09:21

Originally Posted by YellowDog

Well it's not all bad.....

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6573FD20100609

Pah... it's only money... "BP said last week it has "plenty of" cash to deal with the problem " and yet we're still looking at a well spewing oil... have BP thought about fitting the fishing trawlers, that can't fish, with the rubber skirting required to help "guide" the oil? Anyone know any of these details? it's been a month and a half...