Labour troffers - underpants, golf clubs, wine and private planes - all on our money.

[oldrider]

Well, they don't seem to have too many credit-card-rort-type issues - which is kinda the point of this thread.
They have achieved a lot for a party that hasn't had any real power - including the repeal of S59, which was a good thing, although it's been debated to death on KB before to no end so I won't be going back to that now.
Labour has indeed screwed them over quite a bit, but National would have been worse - heard of the expression "lesser of two evils"? Also, the party and the political environment has changed quite a bit - I would not expect the same degree of naivete next time around.

Short memories guy's, can't remember the details but they had big trough type problems earlier on! Look it up if you don't believe me!

[Pussy]

Ahhh... the green party.
They reckon they care so much about the planet.... and they're hardly ever on it!

[schrodingers cat]

I don't think socialist is a bad thing)

Pure socialism doesn't work.
Neither does pure capitalism.
Too much socialism without suficient capiltalist savvy is a scary mix.
This country needs to focus on assisting people to create wealth and encourage them to reward those who assist them in their endevours.
Whilst our wealth is draining away offshore all this handwringing about overspending and funding for minorities and whatever other headline we'll endure next week is just polishing a turd

[BoristheBiter]

Well, they don't seem to have too many credit-card-rort-type issues - which is kinda the point of this thread.
They have achieved a lot for a party that hasn't had any real power - including the repeal of S59, which was a good thing, although it's been debated to death on KB before to no end so I won't be going back to that now.
Labour has indeed screwed them over quite a bit, but National would have been worse - heard of the expression "lesser of two evils"? Also, the party and the political environment has changed quite a bit - I would not expect the same degree of naivete next time around.

but how can a party, when 95% of the country didn't vote for them (goes for all small parties) have any say at all.
The whole system is shit and no one wants to change it as if they would be out of a job.
LIke i said the are all the same.

[Shadows]

Speaking of jerking - Does Shane Jones expect us to believe that he wasnt whacking out when watching all the pornos he charged to the g'ment?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NWLJZjA2Ek

[SS90]

Speaking of jerking - Does Shane Jones expect us to believe that he wasnt whacking out when watching all the pornos he charged to the g'ment?

I can see the election posters now.

But, so what if he was?

For all we know, his wife may be Menapuasal, and, quite simply not feel up to "it"
It's not an isolated thing as far as this dude is concerened, he has done it several times (the charging it to the taxpayer I don't like), so it could be fair to assume that he may well not be getting "some lovin" from his spouse.

So far, I hear no accusations of infidelity, just a little porn watching.

You do realise it is not a crime, right?

Charging it to the taxpayer, however, is.

Perhaps it is the only way he can hide this from his wife (perhaps she inspects all the personal credit card purchases), is to charge it to the "work" card, and he simply got caught in a pattern he could not get out of.

Actually, the porn is really only a couple of hundy........ He could have got a nice prostitute for that. (oh, that's legal too!)
For the porn, my understanding, for the stealing....... Pit of death (although I am just now starting to think the total humiliation this dude has suffered to far outweigh the few thousand dollars we are dealing with)

[BoristheBiter]

he will forever known as the minister of porn.
now there is a title a lot of people would want.
As for the making us pay of it, it's classed as "thieft", the intent was there. why is he still in a job?

[avgas]

Yep....I get sick of the politicians slinging mud at each other, its fcukin bollocks.

They have to do something with their day. I mean if it just came down to making decisions about the country wouldn't we then only require 1 person?

[avgas]

oh - Mudfart - lets not forget how the greens know better than you or I - and need to treat us with kid mittens - thus to save us from ourselves they must ban everything.

Here is a list of items that they HAVE STATED that they will ban if they had the power to do so:

Ban,Ban,Ban...........

Tank that doesn't sound too bad? Because you missed the very valid point here.
How can they ban anything if they sack the cops? hahaha

[ynot slow]

My thoughts are 1)they get paid enough to pay for their goods personally,then they get reimbursed IF the goods are required for the job,and lets have an idependant person or two to say yay or nay if a legit expense.Actually do that for all people in office be it local or central government.

I am happy to pay for goods required for work and being reimbursed if needed,i.e travel out of town with little notice and vehicle needs fuel as an example and the servo in wop wops isn't Shell,so I pay for gas,keep receipt which may show fuel,and food,so I want the money for gas.

[Mudfart]

shanes wife can now take a pill to make her get in the mood, and shane was probably watching porn to get the horn on, to go out and pick up a couple of prozzies, to bring back to his room. whilst raiding the minibar (on the taxpayer) for some dutch courage.
The point is these guys treat taxpayer funds like their own pleasure funds.
All forms of power and administration have their weaknesses and strengths, Im just really surprised there hasn't been a committee set up to develop the best one yet.
There's a fucken committee for everything else on the planet. There's a local committee for pooper scooping.

[davereid]

The issue is not the porn, its the improper use of the credit card.

The porn is relevant though, as its the porn that will make it stick in voter minds.

Long after voters have forgotten the other politician who purchased a $500 bottle of Bollinger on his / her card (See I have already forgotten who it was), we will remember the Porn King.

[oldrider]

Pure socialism doesn't work.
Neither does pure capitalism.
Too much socialism without suficient capiltalist savvy is a scary mix.
This country needs to focus on assisting people to create wealth and encourage them to reward those who assist them in their endevours.
Whilst our wealth is draining away offshore all this handwringing about overspending and funding for minorities and whatever other headline we'll endure next week is just polishing a turd

MMP takes the emphasis off reality and puts the focus on turd polishing and even worse, mutual turd polishing! (you scratch my back I will scratch your's)

Real issues of governing take a back seat to political survival. (there will be a "binding" referendum on MMP at the next election, are we all ready for it?)

[FJRider]

Considering the salary they are paid, and the extra hassle putting/having an extra credit card (their OWN one) in their wallet, what excuse is really plausable when they "trough" on the "Company card" .... ???

[Pixie]

Short memories guy's, can't remember the details but they had big trough type problems earlier on! Look it up if you don't believe me!

Yeah, just a little thing like collecting two lots of rent paid by the taxpayer for single residences and giving a cut to the party from the proceedings