Ever witnessed a drive off? + dangerous drops

[dipshit]

Ummm, do you know what the law is here?
The SUV driver failed to stop when the vehicle in front of them stopped = SUV driver in the wrong.
The SUV driver left the scene of an accident = hit & run = criminal charges laid against him/her.

Typical. Shit for brains motorcyclist rides like a cock then blames other road users for his misfortune.

I have sympathy for the innocent SUV driver and none for the tosser on the bike that brought his misfortune upon himself.

[breakaway]

Too bad the guy on the blue bike made it out with what seemed to be minor injuries. Modern day evolution fails again.

Not to say the SUV driver was without blame in entirety, but as a motorcyclist its your job to be proactive and think 10 steps ahead. Remember, if a car hits you all they get is a dent. You could lose your life or limb.

[onearmedbandit]

Luckily there wasn't too much damage. To the SUV that is. I like doing the odd stoppie, but in the middle of a blind corner? Idiot.

[sinned]

The second rider could have learned from the first (stoppee) rider how the front brake worked and stopped before the gravel.

[MarkH]

I have sympathy for the innocent SUV driver and none for the tosser on the bike that brought his misfortune upon himself.

I have a decided lack of sympathy for either. Just because the moron on the bike was being a dick doesn't entitle someone to hit the retard with an SUV. If I drove an SUV into everyone that I saw acting like a retard then the result would be much carnage.

I do think that the motorcyclist/moron was more than 50% responsible for the incident though. But by the same token the SUV driver was definitely more than 0% responsible (i.e. not innocent).

[Owl]

No, but I once witnessed a walk-off.

Fish truck failed to give way and hit a car. Truck driver (slightly intoxicated) wandered off down the footpath just as the MOT arrived.

"Anyone see where the truck driver went".....................

Guess my morals were somewhat lacking as a youth, but I never did get that promised free fish

[dipshit]

Just because the moron on the bike was being a dick doesn't entitle someone to hit the retard with an SUV. If I drove an SUV into everyone that I saw acting like a retard then the result would be much carnage.

So if you were driving that car, then you don't think you would have been distracted by all those bikes and people at the side of the road and taken a bit of a glance over your shoulder for a quick look... then WHAM!... some dick on a bike decides to do a stoppie in the middle of the road right in front of you... ?

[MarkH]

So if you were driving that car, then you don't think you would have been distracted by all those bikes and people at the side of the road and taken a bit of a glance over your shoulder for a quick look... then WHAM!... some dick on a bike decides to do a stoppie in the middle of the road right in front of you... ?

No, I like to watch were I am going, especially when following close behind another vehicle. Maybe thats how I've driven on Auckland motorways for the last 13 years without running up the rear of another vehicle, if only all other drivers paid attention to where they were going. There are laws that cover this shit, I'm surprised you are not aware of them.

[SPP]

"Bugger stopping, straight to the cop shop and report it."
Ummm, do you know what the law is here?
The SUV driver failed to stop when the vehicle in front of them stopped = SUV driver in the wrong.
The SUV driver left the scene of an accident = hit & run = criminal charges laid against him/her.

Considering the slow speed of the accident I would say that the SUV driver was also a 'tard and should have been able to stop in time if driving lawfully.

Here as in NZ? I'm don't know much about their laws but am reasonably familiar with ours.

I get where you are coming from though. If the motorcyclist had stopped suddenly for a legitimate reason (for example there was another injured ‘tard on the road) the SUV would have hit the guy and I’d be thinking “useless prick, hit the poor motorcyclist who stopped to help their poor motorcyclist friend”.

But consider this; the guy was a fucking moron doing stupid shit in a stupid place with a whole bunch of other fucking morons assumedly egging him on. It was a low speed knock and the moron bounced up pretty quick. There were plenty of people on hand to help him out if he had say… broken his last tooth.

After the accident what you have is a pissed off moron and group of other excited morons. If it were me, I probably would have stopped but I also would have been half prepared to start swinging if it turned ugly.

What if it was my wife, or mum? No bloody way. I wouldn’t want them pulling over and getting in amongst a large group of arseholes.

[MarkH]

What if it was my wife, or mum? No bloody way. I wouldn’t want them pulling over and getting in amongst a large group of arseholes.

Hopefully they wouldn't get prosecuted for it - but in NZ it is still illegal to leave the scene of an accident that you caused without stopping to check that no one is injured and also to give details. What we saw the SUV do is pretty much the definition of hit & run.

Also:
In NZ if a vehicle stops (for any reason or even no reason) and the following vehicle is unable to stop in time and hits that first vehicle, then the driver of the following vehicle is deemed to be in the wrong. Legally you must be able to stop without hitting the vehicle in front of you if it suddenly performs an emergency stop. Only a fool breaks the 2 second rule!

Maybe in the US of A things are different, but I suspect that legally the driver of the SUV was obliged to stop rather than drive away from the scene of the accident.

Here as in NZ? I'm don't know much about their laws but am reasonably familiar with ours.

Are you sure about that? It really does sound to me like you may not be as familiar with them as you think. Feel free to check up on it if you like, but I don't think that another motorist acting like a moron means that you are legally allowed to drive into them and then drive away without stopping to check no one is hurt or to exchange details.

[onearmedbandit]

Also:
In NZ if a vehicle stops (for any reason or even no reason) and the following vehicle is unable to stop in time and hits that first vehicle, then the driver of the following vehicle is deemed to be in the wrong. Legally you must be able to stop without hitting the vehicle in front of you if it suddenly performs an emergency stop. Only a fool breaks the 2 second rule!

Maybe in the US of A things are different, but I suspect that legally the driver of the SUV was obliged to stop rather than drive away from the scene of the accident.

Do you also realise that if you brake suddenly for no reason (ie brake checking a tailgater) and cause an accident you can be charged as well. I think a stoppie in the middle of a corner is a perfect definition of unnecessary braking. At the end of the day here, who's worse off here? Dumb arse does a stoppie on a public road mid corner, gets hit by a car, bike gets smacked up, rider gets abrasions and bruises, SUV gets a minor scratch. To lay any blame with the SUV driver is completely missing the point.

[MarkH]

Do you also realise that if you brake suddenly for no reason (ie brake checking a tailgater) and cause an accident you can be charged as well.

Do you realise that I have already posted in this thread that I consider the motorcyclist more than 50% to blame? I never said that the rider was innocent or couldn't be charged with anything.

Check post #20.

[onearmedbandit]

Do you realise that I have already posted in this thread that I consider the motorcyclist more than 50% to blame? I never said that the rider was innocent or couldn't be charged with anything.

Check post #20.

And I was just pointing out that you can not perform an emergency stop with no reason that causes an accident. Well you can, but you'll also face charges.

I also disagree that the motorcyclist was more than 50% at fault, well actually you are kind of right, as I consider the rider to be 100% at fault. I pull wheelies, I do stoppies. These are stupid things to do on the public roads, which are there for everyone to use, not for someones playground. If I was the idiot on the bike I'd have too much pride to blame someone else for my fucked up actions. Corners are meant to be driven around, not for perfoming stunts on.

Only a fool breaks the 2 se rule. Only a fucking idiot performs a stoppie mid-corner and trys to blame someone else for their fuck up.

You can do whatever you want on the road as far as I'm concerned. Just if you're doing something stupid and fuck up don't expect any sympathy.

[MarkH]

I consider the rider to be 100% at fault.

Sorry, I just don't get the logic here. How can the driver of the SUV be not at fault even the slightest bit? The vehicle in front of them stopped and they hit it, how could they be 0% responsible for that collision?

I've never said the rider deserves any sympathy here, he was the author of his own misfortune for the most part and what happened was rather predictable. But does the driver of the SUV really deserve any sympathy either, is he/she truly 100% blameless? If the vehicle in front of you stops for no apparent reason and you hit them then good luck in trying to claim complete innocence in the cause of the accident.

[onearmedbandit]

The road is not a playground. I don't care if the SUV driver was distracted by what was happening on the side of the road or following to closely. If the rider hadn't performed a 'stunt' on the road then there would've been no crash. If the rider had to perform an emergency stop due to an obstruction on the road, then 100% the SUV drivers fault. I have no sympathy for the stunter. If he had been using the road like it was intended for (the safe carriage of all road users) then there would've been no crash.

To give you an idea of how I view things. If I ride through an intersection normally and a car runs a red light there is a damn good chance I'll be aware of my environment and take appropriate action. I may still get hit, but at least I'll be doing my best to avoid it, and the car driver will be in a world of hurt when I get off the deck. If however I was pulling a wheelie through the intersection then there is a very high chance of getting cleaned out. I'd be too embarrassed to try to claim the driver was completely at fault because I put myself into a position where I was not; a) using the road in a non-risky manner and b) I wasn't in full control of my vehicle.

If the stunter in the video was actually performing emergency braking then he should have been able to check his mirrors first and also would not have had to brake so sharply. Personal responsibility. It's a wonderful fucking thing.