Warning- for when you up the pace.

[Tunahunter]

Well I agree with you bro. I actually did exactly what you warn about.

Maybe you are right. You make valid points. But I stand by my statement - get on the track and do the development, then put it in practice on the road.

A trackday is only a hundred bucks. Do it.


Steve

Tell me about these track days - do you have to belong to a motor cycle club or can you just get in touch with some consultant and jack up a few lessons?

[MSTRS:Me]

Tell me about these track days - do you have to belong to a motor cycle club or can you just get in touch with some consultant and jack up a few lessons?

Hang around other riders and here...you'll soon hear of trackdays coming up. More of a summer thing, tho.

[mashman]

As soon as you are already close to the limits of your capabilities, and the unexpected happens (it WILL happen) you have less of a buffer, and are that much closer to potential catastrophe, be it death or disablement. As Katman says: You use your abilities toget you out of trouble, not to get you into trouble in the first place.

More BULLSHIT. As soon as you twist the throttle and obtain a speed of 10kmh the back can step out and you end up under a truck. I would have thought you would have had some new material by now ... If there's diesel/much/gravel on the road you're shit out of luck, even at 10kmh... If you mis-judge something, which is all any given fuckup is, the outcome may have nothing to do with skillset whatsoever, you could be travelling at 100 or 50 and still have the same injuries... statistically you're supposed to come off worse the faster you are going, but that's not always the case (and you can't recreate the incident at a quicker or slower speed to prove otherwise). You can't manage everyone else's risk.

Ask the ACC.

I'd actually want a real answer to the question, not one plucked from the ether ...

[bogan]

More BULLSHIT. As soon as you twist the throttle and obtain a speed of 10kmh the back can step out and you end up under a truck. I would have thought you would have had some new material by now ... If there's diesel/much/gravel on the road you're shit out of luck, even at 10kmh... If you mis-judge something, which is all any given fuckup is, the outcome may have nothing to do with skillset whatsoever, you could be travelling at 100 or 50 and still have the same injuries... statistically you're supposed to come off worse the faster you are going, but that's not always the case (and you can't recreate the incident at a quicker or slower speed to prove otherwise). You can't manage everyone else's risk.

well if you are going at 10kmhr, you can easily stop in under 5m, one certainly hopes you have more vision than 5m to see if theres any gravel etc coming up. The point about buffers though, if you are going rounds a corner without pushing it and see gravel, you can easily slow to a speed you can safely ride over it, if you are pushing it, you need to slow down more which take longer till you get to a safe speed to ride over the gravel, same goes for things turning across you path.... Though I agree you can't manage others risk, but you can try and educate em!

[Katman]

If there's diesel/much/gravel on the road you're shit out of luck, even at 10kmh...

Fuck me - sounds like you should stick to driving a car.

[Devil]

Tell me about these track days - do you have to belong to a motor cycle club or can you just get in touch with some consultant and jack up a few lessons?

Check the Track Days forum under Meetings and Events.

[Katman]

More BULLSHIT. As soon as you twist the throttle and obtain a speed of 10kmh the back can step out and you end up under a truck. I would have thought you would have had some new material by now ... If there's diesel/much/gravel on the road you're shit out of luck, even at 10kmh... If you mis-judge something, which is all any given fuckup is, the outcome may have nothing to do with skillset whatsoever, you could be travelling at 100 or 50 and still have the same injuries... statistically you're supposed to come off worse the faster you are going, but that's not always the case (and you can't recreate the incident at a quicker or slower speed to prove otherwise). You can't manage everyone else's risk.

It makes me laugh when I read motorcyclists defending irresponsible riding when, if the discussion was about irresponsible driving, they'd be braying for blood.

Ever heard the saying that starts "Better to remain silent and be thought an idiot............."?

[beyond]

Your first post after my original:

A lot of us don't come on here and wank on about it though.

Your last post so far:

Ever heard the saying that starts "Better to remain silent and be thought an idiot............."?

If you hadn't posted the first post you wouldn't need to have posted the last one and by being silent you would perhaps not be thought of as an .......

Problem is katman, when someone tries to teach others through experience and not theory, for some reason you think it makes them an automatic wanker and away you go.

You live in fools paradise if you think that riders are not going to twist the throttle on the bikes they buy and ride. Of course they are, otherwise the world would be full of people geting there kicks pushing motorised zimmer frames.

Get real and stop putting people down when they try to help others come to grips with potential dangerous situations.

You need to mellow out a bit and start getting your point across in a more constructive less confrontational manner.

[Katman]

Problem is katman, when someone tries to teach others through experience and not theory, for some reason you think it makes them an automatic wanker and away you go.

You're not trying to help people Paul - you're just playing the Pied Piper.

[beyond]

You're not trying to help people Paul - you're just playing the Pied Piper.

You're like the old chesdale cheese add.... "never fails to please" In this case you never fail to counter post and I suppose you never will.

Also, I would think that when I say I am not a pied piper, that I do actually share my experiences to help and not lead astray, you 'll never believe me either so in the end, we will probably always agree to not agree.

[beyond]

Actually Steve, I heard from Sixpackback that you were at Noels get together the other week. I wish I had gone, then we could have met and I'm sure we would have seen eye to eye on a lot of things. I'm not what you make me out to be.

[beyond]

Well, thats just bloody lovely. For the second time I've been red repped in my whole time on KB and it just had to be you again. KB finally gives you the right to give reputation again and all you do is take it away.

You are definitley beyond help you bloody moron. Thanks for the shitty comment in your red rep.

[Katman]

Thanks for the shitty comment in your red rep.

Cry me a river.

[bogan]

Well, thats just bloody lovely. For the second time I've been red repped in my whole time on KB and it just had to be you again. KB finally gives you the right to give reputation again and all you do is take it away.

fuck dude, you must fly under the radar, he's got me twice in the last 2 months or maybe you just post when he's run out for the day!

[Rogue Rider]

Well, my fellow rider, not sure of your experience level or the validation or credentials you have to back up such expert information...... choke choke......... however in my view, your position and state of mind is echoed through out the young dumb and full of cum mentality that is prevalent on todays roads on 2 wheels.
I have seen oh so many times, young people on learners riding rice rockets capable of speeds excess of 200km/p/hr.... This is like putting a loaded gun in the hands of a 4 year old, and just as destructive.
I have ben riding nearly 30 years, I started on trail bikes, then motorcross and was well learned in riding long before I hit the roads at 15. The trail bikes I road were monsters 2 stroke and 4 strokes and some had insane power bands to thrill and spill.
My advice to any knuckle duster who wishes to whiten his/ her knuckles, buy a trail bike and hit the dirt. I think at least 4 years dirt tracking and learning to handle bikes in slush, mud and sawdust is a pre requisite to any thrill seeking on the roads. We have enough dead novice riders out there upping the statistics and making our lifestyle more and more expensive.....

yes 99% of us are tempted to speed and open up the can of potential....... however, 9% of those bikers refrain the urge and behave in a mature and sensible manner according to the law. ( I do my best, and for the most part succeed. Being thee for my family in the long term is more important than ending up a statistic on NZ roads)