Wayne Gardner demands immediate TT ban

[Crasherfromwayback]

No one should be told when or where you can race. It's up to them. Personally...you couldn't pay me enough to race there. But I need runoff.

[onearmedbandit]

Should we also ban paragliding and parachuting? In this day and age of safety precautions why are peole still throwing themselves out of perfectly good planes or strapping a metal frame with some fabric to their back and jumping off cliffs? This should have been banned years ago. But I'm sure the companies that run these events don't care if a few pay the ultimate price so they can keep making money.

[Kickaha]

Maybe the prize money is too much of a carrot.

I'd quite happily forego any prize money I might make to race there

I can think of two KB members both who had huge accidents there who have both said they would go back, they would be more aware of the risks than any of us

[dipshit]

but as long as there is no conscription for the IoM I'm happy for those that volunteer to race there to do their thing.

Me too. I love watching it on TV... if only for the sheer lunacy of seeing a bike doing 170 mph down a bumpy street with stone houses on either side!

If riders want to risk killing themselves... who cares.

Though overall it's probably not a good look for motorcycling in this day and age. Probably Gardner's point.

[onearmedbandit]

Motorcycling has always been considered a dangerous activity. It's nothing new. What is new however is people wanting to stop others from risking living their lives the way they want to. Imagine if the Wright brothers announced today they were intending on developing powered flight? They would be shut down by every bleeding heart liberal, painted as idiotic risk takers, and lambasted for risking their lives when they have families to look after. Imagine if motorcycles where invented today. They wouldn't make it past the planning process.

[edit] Before anyone thinks I'm saying it's okay for anyone to do whatever they want etc, I'm talking in context of the subject at hand.

[Edbear]

No one should be told when or where you can race. It's up to them. Personally...you couldn't pay me enough to race there. But I need runoff.

I agree. The TT is an Icon and I can understand why they want it to continue. I've made the comment elsewhere that we should weigh the risks, but I won't repeat the other thread here.

The problem I feel, is not so much a newby issue, - plenty of experienced rider's have crashed - as the fact that the course was never developed as a race circuit and with modern bikes tripling the max speeds of the original racers the margin for error has become almost nil. Yes the brakes and handling have advanced but the lack of room negates that and pure physics rules in the end.
Even purpose built race tracks are being redesigned and upgraded to handle the increased speeds and faster lap times of modern bikes and cars, but the IoM TTcircuit is very limited as to what they can do there.

For me, as for you, the risks are too great. Others see it differently and are prepared to accept the risks. That is their choice. The problem is going to come when someone seeks to hold the IoM organisers responsible or a public outcry rises up.

We look at Paeroa and Wanganui circuits and they too, carry increased risks compared with a purpose designed race track, but the speeds are also lower at these events.

[Quasievil]

how does the IoM 'encourage dying'?

By Providing an unsafe racing track

Should we also ban paragliding and parachuting?

No Because there isnt a event where multi deaths occur each year, every year

If riders want to risk killing themselves... who cares.

I Care alot
Bikers are a bunch of selfish pricks especially when it comes to racing, there is a bigger picture here , ask Paul and Shauns partners how they feel about it

[Kickaha]

ask Paul and Shauns partners how they feel about it

Yet Shaun still said he would be going back

http://www.sportsscientists.com/2009...cise-safe.html

Deaths per million hours:

Skydiving - 128.71
General Flying - 15.58
Motorcycling - 8.80
Scuba Diving - 1.98
Swimming (presumably competitive) - 1.07
Snowmobiling - 0.88
Motoring - 0.47
Water skiing - 0.28
Bicycling - 0.26
Airline Flying 0.15
Hunting 0.08


Running? Depending on which number you believe, the risk during marathons is between 1.8 and 2 deaths per million hours, so it's around the same as scuba diving.

[onearmedbandit]

I give up. Lets stop everybody from doing risky activities, doesn't bother me because I'm going to be rich. I'm opening a cotton wool company, I'll be a gajillionaire. And then I'll buy up land with race tracks, get me a collection of ex-F1 cars and race bikes, invite me friends over and experience life. I know, I know, unlike everyone else in CottonWoolLand there is a risk we might die. All I ask is that if I have an open casket that you try to remove the massive grin on my face. It might be a bit disrespectful.

[Quasievil]

Would it be acceptable to you to have a high speed unsafe track in New Zealand killing a few guys every year on the basis of a "historical event" and "at least they died doing what they loved" B.S arguments.

Make it safer or close it, infact the writings on the wall, it will be shut , its just a matter of when

lastly Shaun says he will go back, but he hasn't and personally I will doubt he ever will.

[dipshit]

Motorcycling has always been considered a dangerous activity. It's nothing new.

While the benefit to me of the TT is some good TV on a Sunday afternoon... the downside of it is the reinforcement in people's minds that motorcycles are suicide machines ridden by temporary citizens.

And in this day and age of increasing safety features in cars like air bags and stability control etc... motorcycles may be seen as something archaic from yesteryear and the only real solution as far as road safety is concerned is to ban them altogether.

I don't think there is any famous car race meeting anywhere around the world that has half a dozen killed at each annual event...???

[dipshit]

And then I'll buy up land with race tracks, get me a collection of ex-F1 cars

Actually I'll do some web searching and compare over how many years of F1 fatalities equals to one week of the TT.

I think you'll find F1 fatalities are few and far between and are considered a shock to the organisation when they do occasionally happen. Not business as usual and to be expected like TT week.

[JayRacer37]

By Providing an unsafe racing track

Shit, better ban Paeroa and Wanganui, any hillclimb, and any racetrack with walls within 100m of the track...cock, nowhere to race in NZ now. Or pretty much ANYWHERE else.

Don't forget we had better not ride on the road - pretty spectacular death rate there dontcha think? In fact, no cars any more - you could die in one of those. Which rules out planes, trains, buses. In fact, don't leave the house. Ever. Actually, can everyone just gas themselves now so we don't have to worry about people dying??

[onearmedbandit]

Would it be acceptable to you to have a high speed unsafe track in New Zealand killing a few guys every year on the basis of a "historical event" and "at least they died doing what they loved" B.S arguments.

If it was their choice, didn't cost me anything, then yes I can accept that.

Make it safer or close it, infact the writings on the wall, it will be shut , its just a matter of when

And another personal freedom taken away. All because those that can't understand it don't want anyone to do it.

[JayRacer37]

Would it be acceptable to you to have a high speed unsafe track in New Zealand killing a few guys every year on the basis of a "historical event" and "at least they died doing what they loved" B.S arguments.

Make it safer or close it, infact the writings on the wall, it will be shut , its just a matter of when

lastly Shaun says he will go back, but he hasn't and personally I will doubt he ever will.

He says he WOULD...which should show you the passion people have for it. And as stated before - everyone knows the risk when they go - and they still go back. WW3 could be just around the corner and we get called up to fight for the US...how would you rather die? If you don't like it, don't watch, go, or support it at all...But let people make choices for themselves.